PLAN SCS Bases/Islands/Vessels (Not a Strategy Page)

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  1. ahojunk
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    More pictures, all dated April 11, 2016 of Bremen Bank and Langhua (Bombay).

    Binmei.Tan.滨湄滩.Bremen.Bank.2016-04-11_L8-satview.(1).truecolor.jpg Bremen Bank - in true color.

    Binmei.Tan.滨湄滩.Bremen.Bank.2016-04-11_L8-satview.(2).infrared.jpg
    Bremen Bank - in infrared.

    Binmei.Tan.滨湄滩.Bremen.Bank.2016-04-11_L8-satview.(3).shortwave-infrared.jpg
    Bremen Bank - in shortwave infrared. There is basically nothing.

    Langhua.浪花礁.Bombay.2016-04-11_L8-satview.(1).truecolor.jpg
    Langhua (Bombay) - in true color.

    Langhua.浪花礁.Bombay.2016-04-11_L8-satview.(2).infrared.jpg
    Langhua (Bombay) - in infrared.

    Langhua.浪花礁.Bombay.2016-04-11_L8-satview.(3).shortwave-infrared.jpg
    Langhua (Bombay) - in shortwave infrared.
     
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    More pictures dated April 11, 2016. This time of Crescent Group of Islands and Huaguang (Discovery) Reef.

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    Crescent Group of Islands - in true color.

    Yongle.Qundao(永乐环礁)Crescent.Group.2016-04-11_L8-satview.(2).infrared.jpg
    Crescent Group of Islands - in infrared.

    Yongle.Qundao(永乐环礁)Crescent.Group.2016-04-11_L8-satview.(3).shortwave-infrared.jpg
    Crescent Group of Islands - in shortwave infrared.

    Huaguang.华光礁.Discovery.2016-04-11_L8-satview.(1).truecolor.jpg
    Huaguang (Discovery) Reef - in true color.

    Huaguang.华光礁.Discovery.2016-04-11_L8-satview.(2).infrared.jpg
    Huaguang (Discovery) Reef - in infrared.

    Huaguang.华光礁.Discovery.2016-04-11_L8-satview.(3).shortwave-infrared.jpg
    Huaguang (Discovery) Reef - in shortwave infrared.
     
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    More pictures all dated 11 April, 2016. They are of Yuzhuo (Vuladdore) Reef and Panshi Yu (Passu Keah). These features are in the Paracel Island group.

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    Yuzhuo (Vuladdore) Reef - in true color.

    Yuzhuo.Jiao.玉琢礁.Vuladdore.2016-04-11_L8-satview.(2).infrared.jpg
    Yuzhuo (Vuladdore) Reef - in infrared.

    Yuzhuo.Jiao.玉琢礁.Vuladdore.2016-04-11_L8-satview.(3).shortwave-infrared.jpg
    Yuzhuo (Vuladdore) Reef - in shortwave infrared.

    Panshi.Yu.盘石屿.Passu.Keah.2016-04-11_L8-satview.(1).truecolor.jpg
    Panshi Yu (Passu Keah) - in true color.

    Panshi.Yu.盘石屿.Passu.Keah.2016-04-11_L8-satview.(2).infrared.jpg
    Panshi Yu (Passu Keah) - in infrared.

    Panshi.Yu.盘石屿.Passu.Keah.2016-04-11_L8-satview.(3).shortwave-infrared.jpg
    Panshi Yu (Passu Keah) - in shortwave infrared.
     
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    The following pictures are of North Reef and Triton Island. They are all dated 11 April, 2016.

    North Reef is the most northwesterly feature of the Paracel Islands. Most parts of the reef are submerged. There are rugged rocks are around the edge that are barely above water. There is a passage into the lagoon on the southwestern side of the reef.

    Triton (Zhongjian) Island is the south western most island of the Paracels. It is inhabited by fishermen and their families.

    Beijiao.北礁.North.Reef.2016-04-11_L8-satview.(1).truecolor.jpg North Reef - in true color.

    Beijiao.北礁.North.Reef.2016-04-11_L8-satview.(2).infrared.jpg
    North Reef - in infrared.

    Beijiao.北礁.North.Reef.2016-04-11_L8-satview.(3).shortwave-infrared.jpg
    North Reef - in shortwave infrared.

    Zhongjian.中建岛.Triton.2016-04-11_L8-satview.(1).truecolor.jpg
    Triton Island - in true color.

    Zhongjian.中建岛.Triton.2016-04-11_L8-satview.(2).infrared.jpg
    Triton Island - in infrared.

    Zhongjian.中建岛.Triton.2016-04-11_L8-satview.(3).shortwave-infrared.jpg
    Triton Island - in shortwave infrared.
     
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    When the Western media are, and have always been, neither impartial nor fair, certainly no more than most other media around the world.
     
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    If these stories are true then the PLA needs to do two things.

    Firstly recognize and address their own limitations and ineptitude in handling them, because that is really what it is for even a small garrison to be wiped out in a remote location without timely knowledge by their command. Equipment, training, through protocol, tactical and strategic setup all need review and improvement.

    Second, they need to own up to it as a lesson in humility and once again ultimately, ineptitude, make it a learning opportunity and reminder for posterity.

    If these stories are not true then they are very inflammatory rumors.
     
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    The incident ostensibly happened in 1990. The biggest problem China had with garrisoning those islands was communication, which was unreliable with the technology China had at the time. According to the article I linked, a ship was sent to investigate after contact was lost with the outpost.

    A small garrison without support will always be vulnerable, not matter the training or protocol. This is probably why most of those disputed islands are ungarrisoned.
     
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    Absent any corroborating evidence I don't think a reasonable person can accept this. That sounds like something out of a B movie--the boat pulls up and finds a pile of dead bodies. And the government never said a word? What did they tell the families? When a bomb blows up and there's no claim of responsibility, governments don't cover it up because they don't have proof of the perpetrators. If the Chinese government found a group of their citizens murdered on one of their outposts you can bet they would raise hell about it because it's a perfect chance to appear as the victim for once.
     
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    I think you underestimate the amount of violence happening in that region of the world, especially in the time when the incident is said to have occurred. Note that only two year prior, China and Vietnam had a naval battle that resulted in large Vietnamese casualties. And a couple of years before that, the two countries were engaged in border "skirmishes" that involved massive artillery strikes and division-sized attacks.

    Also note that this was around the time China and Vietnam was negotiating the normalization of relations. This incident could very well have been downplayed in order not to derail the negotiations.
     
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    If the incident was back in 1988-1990, I agree the Vietnamese were very capable of doing this, and that it would be in the interests of China to keep quiet about this.

    After all, China was still occupying part of Vietnamese territory near the Chinese-Vietnamese border - since the 1979 war. And yes, there were deadly naval and land confrontations between China and Vietnam back in those days.

    This was all part of the lethal chess game where we had the Vietnamese/Soviets lined up against China/US.
     
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