PLAN Naval Aviation Training Facility

Jeff Head

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Lack of a catapult at the training facility suggests catapults won't be on Chinese carriers for some years.
Exactly, which is why a number of us conclude and post here on SD that a CATOBAR carrier is not in the off'ing in the next round of PLAN carrier builds.

I think until they test and certify a catapult for use/production, we won't see one at the training facility.
Bingo! You are right on the money.

Until the PRC/PLAN certify a catapult safe for standard use by their naval aviators, they will not deploy one.

Once they do, the first place it will be deployed for use by naval aviators will be at that training facility.
 

latenlazy

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Once they do, the first place it will be deployed for use by naval aviators will be at that training facility.

And maybe a year or two later installation on a carrier (or perhaps concurrent installation onto a carrier?). I guess figuring out when the training facility gets a cat might be a very good indication of when we should be expecting to see one on a carrier.
 

DaKai

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And maybe a year or two later installation on a carrier (or perhaps concurrent installation onto a carrier?). I guess figuring out when the training facility gets a cat might be a very good indication of when we should be expecting to see one on a carrier.

mew?

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Just kidding, they're Liaoning's big sister Kuznetsova's cats.

Though, you've made a good point. And this facility wasn't there long after Liaoning started to be build, what makes people think that Chinese will build a facility before they got the ship? Or why to think China won't build different training facilities for each class of carriers? After all, the official name of Liaoning given by PLAN, is actually "Aircraft Carrier Training Platform Liaoning" :p
 
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Jeff Head

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mew?

Just kidding, they're Liaoning's big sister Kuznetsova's cats.

Though, you've made a good point. And this facility wasn't there long after Liaoning started to be build, what makes people think that Chinese will build a facility before they got the ship? Or why to think China won't build different training facilities for each class of carriers? :p
Now that's funny. The facility is already testing its first cats! LOL!

Serously though, we will see the cats first making test launches at their test facilities, like the US does at its test facilities.

Once they are satisfied that everything meets their specifications safely and reilably, and when the schedule is right to begin preparing for training for a CATOBAR carrier, we will see them installed at this training facility to prepare pilots for thier intital qualifications prepratory for carrier qualifications.
 

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No, in fact two Tomcats have just landed !! :eek::eek:

But, they're not happy because they're not going Mach 2 with their tails on fire! Arrestor hooks on all four mains, these are bio Tomcats, designed for low-level interceptors of incoming A2G, on a side note, Winchester loves my "exploiter" rc Helo from Wally world, it has even "whacked" him a few times, if I land it, he takes his paws and goes over every inch of it.

On a PLAN note, this is where I would expect to see cats being built and tested, whether steam or emals?????or Tomcats???
 

Jeff Head

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On a PLAN note, this is where I would expect to see cats being built and tested, whether steam or emals?????or Tomcats???
This is purely a training facility.

They will definitely build catapults here, but only after they have decided which ones they will use I believe...in other words, after they are full tested and they are ready to start training their pilots in their use prior to sending them out to the carrier for actual qualification on the carrier itself.

The testing will occur at the test facility like the one near Shanghai I believe.
 

Jeff Head

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Well, with actual production J-15 aircraft rolling off the line now, we can make some potential predictions about what course the PLAN may now take.

With almost all nations, when you move from the prototype stage to the initial production aircraft, those initial aircraft first go into test squadrons, then to training squadrons, and then to actual front line squadrons.

We are all going to get to watch and see how the PLAN proceeds with their business in this regard for the J-15s and their carrier(s).

If they intend to get the Liaoning air wing up as quickly as possible, we'll see the initial squadron or two doing all three duties. Moving more rapidly to an initial production squadron on the Liaoning carrier.

If, OTOH, they take a longer, more conservative and structured view, intending to prepare for and train multiple air wings for multiple carriers, we may see them move more slowly. First forming up a full test squadron to do the testing and qualifying of current and future weapons and sensors...and then a training squadron or two to train pilots at their extensive land based facility for the coming air wings, starting with the Liaoning, and then moving those trained and certified pilots into production, front line squadrons for the carrier(s).

We shall just have to see.
 
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Jeff Head

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Over on the PLAN Carrier Thread I recently responded to a poster who stated that the PRC is hardly using their carrier and that he felt something is wrong.

Here's my response, where I sopke of this training facility among many other things:

The Liaoning has been out to sea,
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. They have trained extensively with other PLAN vessels in operational deployment, task force, manuevering, and replenishment exercises.


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They have also used the prototype aircraft on numerous occassions to qualify quite a few personnel with at-sea carrier operations who then are training others..


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In addition, they have used their rather extensive land-based carrier training facilityhttp://www.sinodefenceforum.com/navy/plan-naval-aviation-training-facility-2-6436.htmlhttp://www.sinodefenceforum.com/navy/plan-naval-aviation-training-facility-2-6436.html to graduate even more to that level.


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In addition, they have built an entire facility/base for the Liaoning at Shandong, as well as a research/logistical training facility at Wuhan...and have upgraded the facilities significantly at Hainan to receive her as well. Huge capitol outlays.


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Make no mistake, the PRC has gone all in on the carrier program.

We shall see with the coming year what occurs in terms of the number of J-15s they put to sea. I bet we are going to see six to eight on the carrier soon. We know they have been building production J-15s and we have seen the numbering of at least 15 of those I believe...in addition to the five or six flying prototypes they have been using.

The Chinese are simply doing it according to their time table...and we may get a little frustrated and impatient over it...but it does not mean at all that they are not moving forward. They have made it clear by their investment that they are in this for the long term.
 
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Construction is under way on a naval training base set to sprawl across more than 160 hectares on the mainland's second-biggest island, according to state media, prompting speculation that the site at the mouth of the Yangtze River could become a training base for aircraft carriers.

China Youth Daily reported on Friday that in 2012 the county government overseeing Chongming Island handed over a 167-hectare site to People's Liberation Army naval units stationed on the island.

The report said local authorities also mobilised a range of departments to carry out construction projects, including installation of water and power supplies, barracks, roads, buildings and other infrastructure for the new training base.

Chongming lies in the Yangtze estuary next to Changxing Island, the location of a shipyard belonging to the giant Jiangnan Shipyard Group, one of the companies reportedly involved in construction of China's first locally built aircraft carrier.

Military analysts said the navy was likely to use the base to train crews but not as a home port for the carriers.

Beijing-based naval expert Li Jie said Chongming would probably serve as a naval air force training base and may well be a supply base for warships.

"China already has two aircraft carrier bases. One is in Dalian , in Liaoning province in the north, and the other is in the south in Sanya in Hainan ," Li said.

"Chongming is not an ideal [home] base for a carrier because it is too close to the metropolis of Shanghai, where many flights take off and land."

Chongming covers 1,267 sq km and is the mainland's second-largest island after Hainan. It has a population of 820,000 and has been used as a military bulwark against Japanese invasions over the centuries.

Shanghai-based naval expert Ni Lexiong said the island's strategic location made it a good choice for a training base.

"Chongming was a coastal defence base to counter Japanese invasions in the Ming and Qing dynasties in the 14th to 20th centuries. Its strategic importance was overlooked when China opened up in the 1980s to early 2000s," Ni said.

Early this month, China Central Television reported that the PLA had stationed its main J-10 jet fighters on the island, a move to bolster coastal defences ahead of any potential military confrontation with Japan over the East China Sea.

The island's government said it would make sure that airspace over Chongming was clear for the military, according to a PLA report on Monday.

But that guarantee is likely to mean damage to the island's wildlife.

Chongming Island's massive wetlands are a major habitat for migratory birds and the air clearance means local authorities will have to "displace" the wildlife.

"[We] should immediately solve all problems that might affect the combat strength of our troops," the PLA Daily cited one local official as saying.

Hong Kong-based military observer Leung Kwok-leung said all the signs were that "China is now focusing on developing its navy".

"The latest development of Chongming indicates the PLA Navy's base in Wusongkou in Shanghai has failed to meet increasing demands."

Even before the building of the massive base, Chongming had long served as the PLA's military training ground for its land, navy and air forces as well as armed police. The PLA built a military farm on the island in 1961 and it has been a supply base for both Shanghai and local garrisons since then.


This article appeared in the South China Morning Post print edition ...
 
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