075 LHD thread

Gents, I'd like to share my thoughts on this 3x075 news.

Honestly I don't believe it. build one for trial that's OK. But 3 at a time? where are the forces to be delivered by them?

1. The navy has been lack of helicopters all the time. We even never saw a Z18F with serial number. The helicopters on 071 displayed in fleet review are still oldest Z8 type. The PLAN marines barely had any helicopters before. They are just expanded to 6 brigades, the four new brigades were all second tier army brigades.

So the navy and marine both have a lot to do and they lack helicopters.

2. If PLAN want this kinda ships for non-combat missions, they have 071 and the two cruiser like 88 and 89 ships.

3. 075 should be designed to support at least

Z10
Z18 wide body transport
Z20

all navy versions. and they are not ready.

Anyway, I just think it's too early.

Apart from the CV-16 rotary air wing I agree PLAN is still very deficient in helicopters

But they still used older Z8J for SAR role on CV-16 but a new variant is under development based on Z18 platform

So even CV-16 does not have a full spectrum of Z18 based choppers

Those old Z8 with comical nose cones are from the 1960s and look awful

We need to see if CV-17 also gets a new rotary wing hopefully they won’t be sharing choppers

For LHD again I hope they add a totally new fleet for Z18 varients

szbd said:

Gents, I'd like to share my thoughts on this 3x075 news.

Honestly I don't believe it. build one for trial that's OK. But 3 at a time? where are the forces to be delivered by them?

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mostly PLAN build 2 or 3 ships off one class to test them, modify them or starting serial production.

Sczepan said:

mostly PLAN build 2 or 3 ships off one class to test them, modify them or starting serial production.

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That's not really a trend if you put it into the proper context. Of their one/two-vessel blocks that were constructed from the 90s til mid-00s, their single 051B was the only ship that fit the "build one or two to test" theory.

Further 052 construction was limited by LM2500 supply which was cut after 1989, more were originally planned. The two 052Bs were built to mount the Russian Shtils to complement the Sovremennys in providing some semblance of area air-defence during a very sensitive time with the treachery going on in Taiwan. The two 054s were built because the AKJ-16 and Type 382 systems were not ready at the time of construction and the PLAN wanted to fast-track ASW assets for an invasion force. 052C production was paused because of propulsion supply limitations like with the original 052s. It wasn't until the QC280 was mature that 052C construction resumed. The 051Cs were built for the same reason as the 052Bs; for a Taiwan contingency, and two was deemed sufficient to deal with the ROCAF. None of these had their numbers limited to two because of testing purposes.

As soon as the Taiwan issue became less critical and QC280 supply got solved, PLAN shipbuilding resumed as per normal.

Engines for all 3 units done

Second unit speeded up?

Is this really true ?

Like with every other piece of news from big shrimps, it's as true as it can get without being 100% confirmed.

I’m really excited !

This time the news has been more details and many times confirmed

I always take LHD with pinch of salt because it’s advertised every year but this time the timing could be right

Hope to see modules

asif iqbal said:

I’m really excited !

This time the news has been more details and many times confirmed

I always take LHD with pinch of salt because it’s advertised every year but this time the timing could be right

Hope to see modules

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I don’t recall many years of LHD construction being “confirmed”. It was only in the last year and a half that the big shrimps began to talk about 075 in a meaningful and active capacity

From Henri K blog

Some rumors about the characteristics of LHD Type 075

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"36,000 tons of displacement", "capacity of 28 helicopters", "diesel engine with the 9,000 kW 16PC2-6B", "Four CIWS including two HQ-10 and two H / PJ-11" ... Here is a bit closer .

But a month ago, several independent sources in China said, almost at the same time one after another, that the construction of the lead ship at the Hudong-Zhonghua Shipyard has made "considerable" progress, knowing that that the cutting of the first sheet goes back to the beginning of 2017.

Does that mean that, six years after the official launch of the project, we will finally see the first blocks of Type 075 in Shanghai? Probably. Whether for potential conflict zones such as Taiwan or the South China Sea, which require a complete amphibious capability, including "vertically", or for any rapid ground support interventions along the Silk Road maritime, to have an adequate amphibious tool seems then coherent and crucial for the Chinese navy and this before 2025.

It is therefore not surprising that at least two sources have recently mentioned a firm launch order for three copies, plus two other optional hulls.






Unofficial CG images made by a Chinese amateur (Images: baoxiuyuan)

The more detailed characteristics of the Type 075 have also been leaked, at least in the form of informal elements. We learn then that the ship would be a little less than 250 meters in length and 33 meters to the width. The size of its continuous flight deck remains unknown but there would be six spots for helicopters. And unlike the US Navy Wasp class or the Japanese Izumo aircraft carrier , the Chinese Navy did not plan to operate Yak-144 or F-35B VTOL aircraft on its future 'amphibious assault', although a related engine development project is currently under way in Sichuan.

It is unclear for the moment why the Chinese navy voluntarily reduced the displacement of the Type 075 by a quarter when it was planned to move more than 40,000 tons. Anyway, it will keep a write-off following the example of Type 071, a class of Chinese LPDs moving more than 20,000 tonnes with the sixth copy currently under construction at the same Hudong-Zhonghua shipyard, where at least it will carry two . The ship would also include a level for storing helicopters and two (??) levels for amphibious vehicles.

A former Chinese naval technical officer also talks about the ZKT series combat system, which is different from the ZKJ series used by most Chinese frigates and destroyers, like the Type 071 which is equipped with the Command H / ZKT-1B. Type 075 will also incorporate systems for fleet command and amphibious operations, but will not equip any anti-ship or fire support equipment on the ground.

Apart from the close self-defense systems such as the two HQ-10 CIWS missiles and two H / PJ-11 CIWS, which are already on the main Chinese combat ships, the Chinese LHD will only equip systems such as the Type 726 for the electronic control part and the Type 562 for torpedo control, standard anti-aircraft weapons such as H / HQ-9 and HQ-16 are not planned. The Type 075 will therefore rest entirely on its escort ships to ensure its own anti-aircraft, anti-ship and anti-submarine protection, for this the trans-armored data links will be installed automatically.

We will have the opportunity to come back to the different topics around Type 075 by the end of the year.

To be continued.

Henri K.

If they had such a lack of helicopters I'm sure Russia would be glad to sell them some. They sold the Ka-52 attack helicopter to Egypt for example. But the Chinese will probably use their own Z-10 instead. For troop transport, the Z-20 (SH-60 counterpart), once it's ready, plus the Mi-17 (Mexico uses them on carriers) would work as a heavier helicopter.

I thought Z-10 production was well advanced? The main issue seems to be transport helicopters, but I think they are waiting for Z-20 or Z-15 to be finished to start mass production.