PLAN dedicated carrier-borne AEW Thread (KJ-600 or KH-600)

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    Add the words fixed wing.
    Technically third.
    The First was of course the U.S. at the end of world war 2 with the Skyraider the British bought some of those and later took the radar off of them and mounted it in their own aircraft the Fairly Gannet AEW in 58 59 becoming the second fixed wing carrier AWACS nation. At that same time the US introduced the Grumman E1 Tracer the Trifecta of the C1 Trader, S1 Tracker. both left service by 78. The Tracer would be replaced by the Hawkeye. The Fairly Gannet wouldn't have a replacement instead the British moved to rotary wing.
    The Russians never built the Yak44 beyond mockup. They built rotary wing AEWs.
     
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    It's Fairey Gannet, not Fairly ;)
    Russians did fly An-71 which was considered for some time to be carried also by CVN Ulyanovsk, but the requirement to take off from CV on single engine led to dropping An-71 and design of Yak-44. An-71 was also too tall for 1143.. class hangar, so a redesign would be required anyway.
     
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    I blame predictive auto spell check. It has a habit of changing things on its own.

    AN71 was suspected in the West for the job but lacked naval features like folding wings.
    It was a Russian Airforce project. Not Naval air force.
    As such it never operated off a carrier or as a carrier capable platform. So it doesn't count.
    If this progresses to actually fly off a carrier then the PRC gets number 3 on that short list.
     
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    Yes, it was Airforce project which was considered by Navy and rejected due to major redesign and re-engining required.
     
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    Right.
    It was theoretically a potential one. Howrver AN71 never operated off a carrier and no more than 3 were ever built. The level of modifications would have made it a totally new aircraft the AN75.
    As such it doesn't count to a fixed wing Carrier AWACS.
    The Kuznetsov used Ka31 Helix for the job.
     
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    :) The Chinese Navy has a contract with Grumman and buys E-2?
     
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    Also the nose is pointing downwards on the mock-up.
     
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    Another translation by:
    Xavier Vavasseur
    Xavier is based in Paris, France. He holds a Bachelor’s degree in Management Information Systems and a Master of Business Administration from Florida Institute of Technology (FIT). Xavier has been covering naval defense topics for nearly a decade.

    https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2019/04/imminent-roll-out-for-chinas-first-carrier-based-awacs/
     
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    Can someone re-do my measurements of that mockup AEW plane on the carrier deck mock up building?
    I went with assumption that those plane models on the deck, while not accurate when it comes to details, do have to be pretty accurate in dimensions. Otherwise what'd be the point to have them at all?

    If so, and if I take the flanker mockup as a reference point - i get some really weird dimensions.
    The AEW is 16.5 to 17 m long, with 32 meter wingspan (!!) and seems to be around 13.5 m wide when folded.
    Compare that with Yak-44 being 20.4 m long, 25.7 m wingspan.
    Or with E2, being 17.6 m long, having a 24.5 m wingspan and being 9 m wide when folded.

    Question is: are the mockups just wildly inaccurate themselves? (bonus question: why would they be? What's the point of them then?)
    Or is the real thing indeed with such huge wingspan. And if so, why would it have so much bigger wings compared to E2 and Yak44? Isn't deck space at a premium?
     
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