PLAN CV-002 Carrier development & News Thread

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    About a Kitty Hawk 80000 t , 320 m long seeing on several plaves based on Ulyanovsk true or not ?after too soon to say more, useless going for assumptions, ridles in fact with max 10 % of infos and again more as some do measured i don' t know for sure don' t get the true or so few.

    Waiting Chinese MOD infos :D
     
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    @fzgfzy's last doodle from Oct 2016 looks like well below under 80k tons, it looks like in the 60k-range.

    But this would be another endless discussion. I let you believe, type 002 will be an Ulyanovsk- or Kitty-Hawk-like carrier. I expect a carrier on a 60k-type-001A-hull without ramp.
     
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    I think it's gunna displace more than Cv 16/17. I guessing close to 70k
     
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    Than it gets a new designed hull and a new designed main machinery.

    My guess is, the Chinese use the effort to reconstruct the hull of the Liaoning a second and maybe a third time and build on it type 002.
     
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    They can just simply lengthen the hull, or scale up the hull proportionally without changing the internal layout too much if they really think there is much to be gained by keeping the liaoning hull design. So I don't think that is a convincing reason why the next carrier can't be appreciably bigger than Liaoning.
     
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    The part where you mention a "likely dual band radar".
     
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    Be more specific please, because I mention "likely dual band radar" for both the 002 mock up and 055 mock up.

    Are you suggesting only one of them isn't likely to be a dual band radar, or both of them, and what's you reasoning?
     
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    Eurgh. This is why I dislike relying on sketches, because it means we have to rely on our own visual interpretation for how big something is or what the design of something based on a few lines may or may not be.

    Unfortunately you get no leeway on thinking how big 002 will be -- fzgfzy has repeatedly stated that 002 will be a carrier whose displacement will be slightly below 80,000 tons, for the last two years or so at least.
    In that sense, you are basically forced to interpret his sketch in the way that his statements about 002 have portrayed it -- i.e.: as a sub 80,000 ton carrier with catapults, conventionally powered.

    The latest statement from fzgfzy about 002 (including mentioning its displacement, consistent with previous statements), is here: https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/pl...lopment-news-thread.t8048/page-61#post-445410


    And that is why using sketches as a reason for speculating about a ship's potential exact design is silly because all they can do is integrate some core configuration characteristics we know about but tell us nothing about what it will look like in terms of the design details.


    I hope you are not arguing that your interpretation about the size of the quick carrier doodle by fzgfzy supersedes the consistent statements by fzgfzy about how big 002 will actually be. If that is the case, then I would argue that you are sort of falling into the trap that you described in your previous post, where you said you try to hide your wishes when making assumptions and feeling that many projections are wishes of fanboys and not sober enough.

    However, if you are fundamentally leaning against 002 being a sub 80k ton carrier despite all the accumulative rumours from big shrimps so far saying that it will be, and insisting that you think it must be smaller and the size of Liaoning, then I would argue that you are being excessively sober and by extension it suggests that you feel like a sub 80k ton carrier is "unrealistic" or perhaps "fanboy wishes"?
    Even ignoring the fact that all the big shrimps so far are saying it will be a sub 80k ton carrier, I'm surprised why you would think a sub 80k ton carrier is unrealistic to begin with. Considering Liaoning and 001A displace 65k tons full and maybe a bit more for that for 001A, it would not be unexpected for the next carrier design to be a bit larger, even if it's only a maximum of 15,000 tons larger, dont' you think?
     
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    Specifically I was referring to the mockup. But to be perfhonest the 055 would be perfectly applicable as well. A dual band radar is just speculation at this point, so "likely" is not an appropriate descriptor.
     
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    I can understand that, though my logic behind 002 having a dual band radar (or tbh it might be better to just call it having two sets of radar) is that it would be the same primary radar set as 055, which of course has been suggested to have an X band aesa to complement its S band array.

    I also think the configuration of the openings on the 002 mock up are... fairly distinctive. While I'm sure the smaller openings could definitely be for something else like ECM arrays, communication arrays or what not, I think the most likely contender is for an X band aesa especially if it is the same type that may be seen on 055.
     
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