PLAN Command and Control Capabilities...has it improved?

I finally finished reading the report and I think it's a pretty objective take on the Chinese military.

The assessments of where Chinese military hardware stands are pretty straightforward. Even the assessments of where direct military software (org structure, lack of combat experience, no naval or air force tradition, unrealistic or not challenging training, etc) stands are straightforward.

The assessments of indirect military software (corruption, quality of recruits, the effects of the one child policy, etc) are a bit subjective but also admitted as such in the report. However they are not too much of a stretch based on what is known. Specifically on the subject of the effects of the one child policy, let's not forget the perspective of soldiers' families where it would be a devastating loss if their only child already raised to adulthood is killed in combat. This serves as an undercurrent of pacifism even if only because the authorities do not need another source of social discontent especially one that would accompany a difficult international environment.
 

montyp165

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I finally finished reading the report and I think it's a pretty objective take on the Chinese military.

The assessments of where Chinese military hardware stands are pretty straightforward. Even the assessments of where direct military software (org structure, lack of combat experience, no naval or air force tradition, unrealistic or not challenging training, etc) stands are straightforward.

The assessments of indirect military software (corruption, quality of recruits, the effects of the one child policy, etc) are a bit subjective but also admitted as such in the report. However they are not too much of a stretch based on what is known. Specifically on the subject of the effects of the one child policy, let's not forget the perspective of soldiers' families where it would be a devastating loss if their only child already raised to adulthood is killed in combat. This serves as an undercurrent of pacifism even if only because the authorities do not need another source of social discontent especially one that would accompany a difficult international environment.

My own take on that report is that it overconflates the issues that it mentions as being more problematic that it actually is, one only needs to remember that a mature doctrine that is 3 years old is no less effective than one 300 years old, what matters is the method of study and integration involved. The best example of this approach is the old German Imperial Navy, which went from a mere coastal force at best to nearly rivaling the Royal Navy in less than 20 years.

As for the One-Child Policy, it was never absolutely uniform to begin with and affected Urban population moreso than rural ones, so there is no lack of pool of personnel in any event.
 

solarz

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As for the One-Child Policy, it was never absolutely uniform to begin with and affected Urban population moreso than rural ones, so there is no lack of pool of personnel in any event.

There are a lot of claims thrown around about families with only one child, but I've never seen any of those claims backed up by research.

The PLA does have casualties even during peace time. A few years ago, we saw dozens of military personnel killed by suicide attackers in Xinjiang, yet the PLA has continued to function.

More young people die of car accidents than they ever will in wars. We've read reports of school buses falling over cliffs and psychopaths attacking kindergarten kids. These are all very tragic events, to be sure, but they haven't had any destabilizing effect on the Chinese society. So why should military casualties be different?
 

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Clearly, this topic has derailed. Further analysis in this direction will cause this thread to be locked.
 
Trying to keep things on topic here.

So why should military casualties be different?

Military casualties are unique in that they are likely to happen en masse, in an already emotionally charged atmosphere, in a complex and likely more hostile international political environment, and are tied to domestic public opinion of whether the corresponding military action is worthwhile.

Going back to analyzing hardware, one number mentioned in the report that surprised me was that there are only 44 Y-8 in service. That sounds very low to me especially since the type has been in service for a while. Does anyone know if this number is accurate?
 

solarz

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Trying to keep things on topic here.

Military casualties are unique in that they are likely to happen en masse, in an already emotionally charged atmosphere, in a complex and likely more hostile international political environment, and are tied to domestic public opinion of whether the corresponding military action is worthwhile.

Going back to analyzing hardware, one number mentioned in the report that surprised me was that there are only 44 Y-8 in service. That sounds very low to me especially since the type has been in service for a while. Does anyone know if this number is accurate?

I think this is because China currently has very little need for air lift operations.
 

B.I.B.

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Well, they do. And if those pics online suggest anything (those posted by Popeyes), more and more highly educated youth want to join the military.

I don't think China has a problem with meeting their enlistment requirements. Its retaining men who have the qualities necessary to become outstanding NCO's /CPO's, which are the backbone of any capable military establishment.
 

Hendrik_2000

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Interesting article by POP3 from 2017 but still relevant via pc3cd

POP3 again
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China Navy Data Link The system has been advancing by leaps and bounds. Some technologies have led the world

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data link system is a common standard configuration in advanced countries. The Chinese navy ships are equipped with a variety of models independently developed data link system, and has the world's advanced level, shipborne data. The chain is a system with large capacity, high rate, confidentiality and anti-interference. The development of China's naval data link is relatively late compared to the old-fashioned military powers in Europe and America, but it has a late-comer advantage. Now the Chinese Navy has equipped various types of tactical and strategic data links for different purposes, and its technical level is no less than the world. Countries, and at some level of technology. Some people stick to the rules and are used to seeing the military technology level of the Chinese navy with an old-fashioned view. Such a lack of thinking and thinking is really unable to keep up with the development of reality.

The 722th Research Institute of the Seventh Institute of China Shipbuilding Corporation reported on the development of the naval ship tactical data link in 1982. In August 1986, it reviewed the data link system program. In February 1987, the naval ship tactical data link development program was obtained by the Navy Commander. Approved by the Ministry of Communications. In November 1987, 722 piloted the Navy's data link for the Type 051 destroyer and achieved success. This was the origin of the Chinese Navy's early ship data link. But objectively speaking, China's early data links, such as the ship's HN-900 tactical data link and the airborne 480 series data link, are generally not high in terms of information rate, transmission performance, key strength, etc. Some aspects are still insufficient.
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At the beginning of this century, the Chinese navy began to make breakthroughs in many military equipment technologies, and the development of electronic information technology has advanced by leaps and bounds. Around 2003, the Navy began to equip the TJN-905 integrated data link. Although the data link is more advanced, it still cannot keep up with the rapid development of the Chinese navy equipment technology. In 2004, it was newly developed as a comprehensive data link type I carrier. Type substitution. This type of data link is a tactical integrated data link that fully covers the functions of the 905 data link and is compatible with the 901, 902, and 903 data link functions and the integrated chain V/UHF mode and the integrated chain HF serial mode. Provide multiple data transmission channels. It supports the secure transmission of tactical data on the channel. The data is processed by the cryptographic algorithm when transmitted over the air. The key strength is the theater level and the tactical level. It can realize wireless networking communication between the ship intelligence processing computers in the naval ship formation, wireless networking communication between the ship and the aircraft, realize the guidance of the ship to the aircraft and the over-the-horizon target indication relayed by the aircraft, realize Transmission and exchange of operational intelligence data between shore-based, sea-based command centers or early warning command aircraft.
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The Chinese Navy is also equipped with the TJN-906 high-speed broadband data link system. The data link is mainly used for maritime joint formation operations, providing high-speed, real-time and networked communication links for formation operations. Its information rate exceeds 2M and can be achieved. Line-of-sight communication fully satisfies the
need for high-speed information transmission required for maritime formation command. TJN-906 high-speed broadband data link has point-to-point, point-to-multipoint and multi-point to multi-point and broadcast exchange information, embedded encryption and decryption module, with strong anti-interference and anti-interception ability, with high electromagnetic compatibility ability. Through the integrated chain satellite channel adaptation function, integrated data link satellite channel data transmission can be realized.
The JIS data link system of the Chinese Navy is a joint general-purpose data link system of the three armed forces. The universal data link system has various types of end machines, which are respectively equipped on different types of platforms such as ships, various types of aircraft and land-based. High-speed data communication between sea-based, space-based and land-based. Modern warfare is often a joint operation of the three armed forces. The JIDS data system makes the naval vessels an effective operational link in the joint operations of the three armed forces. It can accept the intelligence and operational orders issued by the joint military command of the three armed forces and report intelligence to the joint command of the three armed forces. JIDS data system has many functions such as communication, intranet identification, navigation and positioning, processing electronic warfare information, weapon coordination and management, etc., and has high speed, large capacity, low error rate, strong encryption, anti-interference, high precision. Such characteristics, JIDS data system uses time division multiple access, extended frequency hopping mode of operation, its frequency hopping rate of up to 80,000 times per second
 

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S1 Data Link has integrated the low-speed link and high-speed link with advanced technology.

This data link employed uniform hardware structure design and realized the integration of low-speed link and high-spend link through developed commercial 4G/TD-LTE technologies This data link has two low-speed data transmission channel (HF) and one high-speed data transmission channel (UHF) and is capable to satisfy the requirement of fleet or ship-shore for data transmission.

This data link employs ad hoc network design and is characterized by such advancements as high rate, flexible networking mode, strong survivability and diverse missions., and it can realize efficient utilization of various resources. Low-speed link is able to exchange tactical data and Free message of ship-shore, ship-ship and fleet in real time; high-speed link can exchange video, voice, data and other files of ship-shore, ship-ship and fleet in real time.
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ClaudeJ

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Hey there,

James Charles Bussert, mentioned in the OP, authored a book "
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Do you know if there's another book on the topic that would be covering the years after 2010?

Cheers
 
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