PLAN close in weapon

Blitzo

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Considering that it's part of the ciws armament of a refitted 053H3 (or H2? idk) I think it is well beyond testing.

And I think Henri K has suggested that this weapon might be actually using the Type 730's guns but in an AK-630 type water coolled shroud and in an overall new stealthy turret.
 

jobjed

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Interesting image of PJ-12's sabot rounds.

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They don't seem to have full-width front caps that the A-10's 30mm sabots have, as below;
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schenkus

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I wonder if they use Tungsten or DU core. The U.S. and U.K. militaries use DU core for 20mm CIWS warheads.

Are they using armour piercing rounds ?
I always thought chinese 30mm CIWS are using some kind of exploding shells ?
 

SpicySichuan

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Are they using armour piercing rounds ?
I always thought chinese 30mm CIWS are using some kind of exploding shells ?
The image where the Chinese sailor is loading the 30mm rounds shows that the warheads are armor piercing ones and probably shouldn't contain any explosives. There are no other colored tips other than black, which most likely stand for armor piercing core.
 

schenkus

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The image where the Chinese sailor is loading the 30mm rounds shows that the warheads are armor piercing ones and probably shouldn't contain any explosives. There are no other colored tips other than black, which most likely stand for armor piercing core.

I'm not sure I understand you correctly: is it the shape of the 30mm rounds that tells you they are armour piercing or is it just the color of the tip ?

Is there some special advantage in using armour piercing ammunition as a CIWS ?
I always thought that shrapnel from exploding shells would be good enough to destroy incoming missiles.
 

kyuryu

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I'm not sure I understand you correctly: is it the shape of the 30mm rounds that tells you they are armour piercing or is it just the color of the tip ?

Is there some special advantage in using armour piercing ammunition as a CIWS ?
I always thought that shrapnel from exploding shells would be good enough to destroy incoming missiles.

It's possible to denote AP shells using both colour coding (tungsten core) and/or by shape.

The Chinese CIWS rounds that are being loaded are very clearly AP discarding sabbot rounds which are increasingly used to ensure a direct hit results in a kill rather than relying on fragmentation to disable the inbound missile. With end stage missile approaches becoming faster and the need to address the kinematic implications of faster missile approaches also increase (through use of hard kill counter measures)
 

plawolf

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I'm not sure I understand you correctly: is it the shape of the 30mm rounds that tells you they are armour piercing or is it just the color of the tip ?

Is there some special advantage in using armour piercing ammunition as a CIWS ?
I always thought that shrapnel from exploding shells would be good enough to destroy incoming missiles.

It’s a trade-off between hit probability (HP) and kill probability(KP).

Proximity fused rounds increase HP, but each hit will have a much smaller KP compared to a direct hit from an APDS round.

As a general rule, airbursts are more effective against subsonics that have a longer flight time, so greater chance a small amount of damage might be enough to cause it to loose lock or crash into the sea. APDS are more effective against supersonics since the speeds those travel at means you don’t have time for it to meander off course gradually, but instead need to put maximum force on it to drastically change its course in the shortest possible time to prevent getting hit by supersonic flying debris even if you do kill it.

The Chinese are more likely to favour APDS since the monstrous fire rate of their CISW greatly offset the traditional downside of low HP with APDS since they can throw out so many more rounds in the same time compared to other gun CIWS.
 
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