Thanks my lord, I will pass on your praise of his report ...
By the way here's another report he did:
Cheers,
Deino
PLAN Carrier Strike Group and Airwing
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Thanks my lord, I will pass on your praise of his report ...
By the way here's another report he did:
Cheers,
Deino
Another GREAT article...and worthy of its own discussion in a thread dedicated to Russian aircraft.
We have a Chinese Flanker Thread, perhaps we should start a Russian Modern Flanker thread with this article. (I think throwing in the SU-34 makese sens on that thrad too...and probably would have been good for this article since the Russians are building those Flanker aircraft at the current time too.) I will do so, and we can continue what should be a very interesting discussion there.
What the Russians are doing with the Flanker air frame and what the Chinese are doing with the Flanker air frame, would make for an EXCELLENT Book Deino...comparing the two trend lines.
The PLA is very happy with the Flanker, she is a big girl, but very agile, a very outstanding overwater platform, that second engine giving you a comfort factor at night or overwater. I'm sure the Mig is a very fine aircraft in its own right, but it is smaller, and the Chinese have chosen the Flanker to be the primary "heavy lifter" in fighter country. I believe this to be a great choice, and as noted the Flanker is something of a jack of all trades. I have serious doubts that they will carry a full complement of 24, and 16-18 will likely serve aboard once she goes fully operational, but as Jeff says, we will see????
Hehehe...you are going to like THIS THREADhttp://www.sinodefenceforum.com/wor...r-thread-videos-pictures-news-views-6909.html, Brat. I think you will like it a lot.
Once they get the vessels in place, in peace time, I see the PLAN perhaps following a US type CSG.
This would consist of the carrier, one Type 055 large DDG, two Type 052D DDGs, and either a Type 093 mod SSN, or, later, a Type 095 SSN. This would be supported by an AOR group, operating independently consisting of one or two AOR vessels escorted by one or two Type 054A FFGs.
In a higher, combat threat environment, they might add 2 Type 054A FFGs and another SSN to that CSG.
For the Liaoning, I see 12-16 J-15s in peace time with 3 AEW Z-18s, 3 ASW Z-18s and 3 SAR/ASW helos.
In the higher threat environment, they increase the number of J-15s to 22 or so, with four of each helo type.
These would be very capable formations, the strongest in the WESPAC by far outside of the US Navy, particularly if the PLAN had three CSGs to deploy.
This would consist of the carrier, one Type 055 large DDG, two Type 052D DDGs, and either a Type 093 mod SSN, or, later, a Type 095 SSN. This would be supported by an AOR group, operating independently consisting of one or two AOR vessels escorted by one or two Type 054A FFGs.
In a higher, combat threat environment, they might add 2 Type 054A FFGs and another SSN to that CSG.
For the Liaoning, I see 12-16 J-15s in peace time with 3 AEW Z-18s, 3 ASW Z-18s and 3 SAR/ASW helos.
In the higher threat environment, they increase the number of J-15s to 22 or so, with four of each helo type.
These would be very capable formations, the strongest in the WESPAC by far outside of the US Navy, particularly if the PLAN had three CSGs to deploy.
asif iqbal
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That's a good airwing and certainly a powerful force
I hope China does make good use of the Liaoning and deploy with full compliment of aircraft once everything is certified and ready they will learn so much
Eventually I would like to see the Chinese carrier strike group work with a Chinese amphibious ready group or expeditionary group to provide air cover for the a landing excercise where fighter jets go in first followed up by the amphibious invasion force
With the 3 x LPD and numerous LST it would make a good landing force but I don't think it would make a fully fledged amphibious assault group because of the obviously lack of LHA/LHD
For a ARG you need 3 components a ground force, a aviation force and a logistics force built around a LHA, LPD and a LSD
A USN MEU typically consists of a Wasp Class LHA, San Antonio Class LPD and a Whidbay/Harper ferry class LSD
Together they carry the equipment for a around 2,000 marines for air, sea and ground mobility
The aviation combat element alone consists of
12 x V-22 Ospreys
4 x CH-53E
3 x Hueys
4 x AH-1Z
And 6 x Harriers plus numerous UAV
Plus two KC-130J provide the aerial refuelling from land bases
As of now China has 3 x LPD and lots of Type 720 LST which could carry the ground and logistics force but there is no flat top to carry the aviation element so they are about 2/3 of the way there
Certainly the shore to ship connectors are there but what PLAN needs is a large LSD and a LHA/LHD to fully complete a ARG
On the other hand the Chinese CSG is well more advanced and the carrier air wing is also looking very promising
Let's hope the marine amphibious units also develop rapidly and surely
