PLAN Carrier Strike Group and Airwing

Jeff Head

General
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Re: Aircraft Carriers II

If you read the part that i highlighted in the article then you will know that the Vikramaditya was build with components from more than 200 companies from 13 different countries. Their rollerdex of suppliers for spare parts and maintenance for this ship must be longer than my arm.
The article also states that the Russians will be on site for a number of years, and will then support the Indians with the carrier for 20 years afterwards.

My guess is that the critical issues and perhaps major overhauls will be, by contract, covered by the Russians.

The Indians will then cover standard maintenance needs. They will, to that end, train their people and purchase and maintain some amount of the most necessary parts on site and warehouse them on some type of FIFO schedule to ensure they have enough in stock for some anticipated amount of time (probably measured in a 2-3 year time frame) at any one time.

That way, they will be covered, and can always fall back on Indian yards if necessary to cover unanticpated emergencies or in the event Russian-Indian relations go sour or the Russian shipyard fails.
 

Franklin

Captain
Re: Aircraft Carriers II

The article also states that the Russians will be on site for a number of years, and will then support the Indians with the carrier for 20 years afterwards.

My guess is that the critical issues and perhaps major overhauls will be, by contract, covered by the Russians.

The Indians will then cover standard maintenance needs. They will, to that end, train their people and purchase and maintain some amount of the most necessary parts on site and warehouse them on some type of FIFO schedule to ensure they have enough in stock for some anticipated amount of time (probably measured in a 2-3 year time frame) at any one time.

That way, they will be covered, and can always fall back on Indian yards if necessary to cover unanticpated emergencies or in the event Russian-Indian relations go sour or the Russian shipyard fails.

Yes you are right, but i don't know if the guarentee includes the foreign technology on the ship. And even if the guarentees does include the foreign technology i doubt that the Russians are able to produce spares for these foreign equipments. So they still need the rollerdex.
 

bd popeye

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Re: Aircraft Carriers II

In another thread now closed..

Could Harrier jets land and take-off from Forestall-class without damaging the deck ?

Sure.. All USN flight decks are armored 3.5 inches thick since the Midway class,

Here's a link from wiki..without digging through USN manuals..

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In 1976 Harriers deployed aboard the USS Franklin D Roosevelt (CVA 42) to the Mediterranean as an experiment.

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The Harriers were deck launched from a point amidships.

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Hope this answers your question.

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Jeff Head

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Re: Aircraft Carriers II

This is a great picture of the Royal Navy Queen Elizabeth aircraft carrier under construction. (High Res of Queen Elizabeth under construction)

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If you look closely, in the mid to upper left of the photo, you can see the lower bow of the Prince of Wales sitting there, and to the right of it, you can see one of the elevators for the QE.

Then, below them, down near the water, and next to the patrol vessel, you can see the other elevator for the QE.

Once they lift that second Island onboard, you will know they are getting close.

This pic is about three weeks old and I am told two more sponsons have been lifted since it was taken.

Nice work UK!
 

asif iqbal

Lieutenant General
Re: Aircraft Carriers II

Got to say Jeff, Brits showing how it's done, looks like everything is so organised and working like clock work, maybe Newport News can learn something lol :D
 

bd popeye

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Re: Aircraft Carriers II

Got to say Jeff, Brits showing how it's done, looks like everything is so organised and working like clock work, maybe Newport News can learn something lol :D

They look very organized. a well oiled machine. But...When they build 10 QE CVs then we can make a comparison..or if they ever build a nuclear carrier..let's see how that goes.
 

bd popeye

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Re: Aircraft Carriers II

Omg look at the comparison ours is so much better than yours! :p

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Does not mean a thing. a friend of mine also retired from the USN..he's a Captain.. explained the appearance this way.

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Hulls weren't touched other than bead blasting white in dry dock and re-primed and painted with red lead, haze gray and black boot topping. Also, hulls are rarely out of the water more than six months, whether in SLEP or ROH. Sometimes holes have to be cut in the hull to unship and rig out certain pieces of machinery (i.e. forced draft blowers for boilers, etc.)

How much does paint weigh? Well, I was chief engineer and executive officer in the lead ship of this class. I took her into a dry-docking overhaul in which the hull and superstructure were bead blasted white inside and out, and the bilges acid cleaned. With all of those layers upon layers of paint and grime removed, Brook weighed 800 tons less coming out of drydock than she did going in. 800 TONS!!!

and..

Nah, they just don't get too excited about keeping her pretty before they do a final blast and coat. I've explained this before, but when you keep the hull coated like you see with QE, you end up having to remove a lot of that to join sections. It's a fire hazard, a health hazard, and environmental hazard, etc., etc., etc. Now, it's a fair argument to say that it may not be any of those things, but in the evolution of ship building and repair in the US in the late-20th and early-21st Centuries, the Green folks and health and safety Nazis hold sway. So, to save on the money that would be spent removing the coatings just to do a joining process ("weld" to you and me), they just wait until they are all done before doing the coatings all at once.

Going by my past experience, the hull plating in Gerald R. Ford will be 7/8 inch HY-80 carbon steel. It's designed to flex and give to avoid self-propagating expansion joints (or "cracks" as we mere mortals call them) due to hogging and sagging. There will most likely be one inch of HY-100 plating around the magazines and steering gear. I don't know what is around the reactor compartments because I don't have need to know; but generally speaking, there's a lot of shielding there. Also, I am told there will be some kevlar here and there around some areas for defense against cheap mission kills. Finally, look at all of the double- and even triple-bottoms and floodable voids she has. She can take a hit; it's just a different way of going about it from WWII.

Actually the Ford class will have HSLA 115 steel for the Flight Deck. And HSLA-100 Steel for the remainder of the ship except the hull plating. I looked it up.

I hope this explains the appearance of the Ford.
 

asif iqbal

Lieutenant General
Re: Aircraft Carriers II

Thanks for the explaining the appearance for the new carrier bd Popeye, I was just poking fun!
 
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