PLAN Anti-ship/surface missiles

Deino

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And here is a static display of a YJ-12 on a J-15. I have to emphasize that I believe that this is a mockup...but it shows it just the same.
As I say...big missile.

This is probably the best comparison and estimation of its size ... via "totoro" (CDF)

When i size two images based on the truck lines i get this:

using 5.14m for yj83 i get 7 meters for yj12.

But as we can see, the model of yj12 lacks the rear part visible in all other yj12 images. check that old image of h6 carrying yj12, there is a whole chunk of missile exhaust missing on the model. the blue dotted lines represent a very conservative estimate of how long that part would be. with it, missile should be 7,3 m long. but since the famous h6 photo doesnt show the whole misisle but is cut right at that point, its quite possible yj12 is up to 7,5 m long.

PLANAF YJ-12 vs. YJ-83K comparison - 2.jpg

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Hyperwarp

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Whats the length of the YJ-83 without the booster?

YJ12-Length-Est_1.jpg
 

Blitzo

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You need to pay more attention to details. Here is a picture of what you say is the XSAM-3.

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As you can see the intake is actually integrated to the body of the projectile around mid-way.


And you need to look back to my previous post, where I describe the same arrangement for YJ-12s air intakes, where the air intake does not extend along the entire air intake external structure. Different ways of saying the same thing

That is to say, for all the missiles listed (YJ-12, XASM-3, Kh-31 and Kh-41), they all feature air intakes which converge together in the centre of the missile projectile itself to provide for the ramjet combustion chamber, however all of them also seemingly has extended air intake structures that leads to their nozzles.

The point that I'm making in all their cases, is that what appears to be air intake structures which go all the way to their nozzles, are not actually the entire air intake, and that the air intakes/ducts themselves converge at the combustion chamber in the missile projectile.

I'm very bemused that you're holding this opinion about YJ-12, because even if we ignore the lesser known, older and more well known missiles such as Kh-31 (first picture below shows MA-31 drone variant of Kh-31) and Kh-41 (second picture below) have the same air intake/duct configuration.

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If you still really cannot comprehend how the air intakes of these missiles work, then I'll use another picture to demonstrate. It is essentially the same as this missile, the 2K12 Kub, which depicts the missile's air intakes converging joining with the missile projectile, but the external air intake structure also "stops" where the actual air intake itself converges into the missile projectile. In the case of YJ-12, Kh-31, Kh-41, XASM-3, the external air intake structure "continues" to the aft of the missile near the nozzle, however the actual air intake/duct is no longer part of the structure at that point.

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kwaigonegin

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And you need to look back to my previous post, where I describe the same arrangement for YJ-12s air intakes, where the air intake does not extend along the entire air intake external structure. Different ways of saying the same thing

That is to say, for all the missiles listed (YJ-12, XASM-3, Kh-31 and Kh-41), they all feature air intakes which converge together in the centre of the missile projectile itself to provide for the ramjet combustion chamber, however all of them also seemingly has extended air intake structures that leads to their nozzles.

The point that I'm making in all their cases, is that what appears to be air intake structures which go all the way to their nozzles, are not actually the entire air intake, and that the air intakes/ducts themselves converge at the combustion chamber in the missile projectile.

I'm very bemused that you're holding this opinion about YJ-12, because even if we ignore the lesser known, older and more well known missiles such as Kh-31 (first picture below shows MA-31 drone variant of Kh-31) and Kh-41 (second picture below) have the same air intake/duct configuration.

4ZTNjqb.jpg


65xUYOp.png


If you still really cannot comprehend how the air intakes of these missiles work, then I'll use another picture to demonstrate. It is essentially the same as this missile, the 2K12 Kub, which depicts the missile's air intakes converging joining with the missile projectile, but the external air intake structure also "stops" where the actual air intake itself converges into the missile projectile. In the case of YJ-12, Kh-31, Kh-41, XASM-3, the external air intake structure "continues" to the aft of the missile near the nozzle, however the actual air intake/duct is no longer part of the structure at that point.

Clth5DE.png

Even if the intake channel extends all the way to the back of the missile chassis, the internal 'back' half of it would consist of the fin control mechanisms and servo motors.
 

no_name

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You need to pay more attention to details. Here is a picture of what you say is the XSAM-3.

CC3fyE-VAAIZ75w.jpg



As you can see the intake is actually integrated to the body of the projectile around mid-way.
By the way this is not the actual XSAM-3, this is only a test bed to see if the scram jet actually work as designed. TRDI never actually announced the XSAM-3 yet.

If you mean the outer shape, no it is not. You can see the 'stumps' near the end. I think you are just nitpicking small details because it suits your certain believes better.
 

GreenestGDP

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YJ-18 A, B Anti Ship Missile
2 headlines ... ...

China's Supersonic Ship Killer is
Making U.S. Navy's Job Harder



YJ-18 Threat Ring (Red) vs. YJ-82 Threat Ring (Yellow)

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China's YJ-18 Supersonic Anti-Ship
Cruise Missile: America's Nightmare?



DoD report puts the range of YJ-18 at 290 nautical miles – more than double that of its likely progenitor, the Russian SS-N-27 Klub ASCM (export version). If correct, moreover, this new range will, in the near term, more or less quadruple the range of the standard ASCM fired from most PLA Navy submarines.


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YJ-18 A, B Anti Ship Missile
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Newer variants of the YJ-82, such as the YJ-82A, YJ-83, CM-802AKG, YJ-82AK, have ranges between 180-250 km, depending on the launch platform.
 

Blitzo

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I think the "threat ring" they draw, is for the submarine launched YJ-8, which does have a rather short range.

Anyway, the articles about YJ-18 are exaggerating the threat they pose to the USN; we do not know how many submarine types can carry YJ-18 to begin with, and other ship launched missiles have had similar range to YJ-18 as well.
 
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