PLAN Anti-Piracy Deployments

Pointblank

Senior Member
Re: Somali pirates and Chinese navy

If the Chinese would like to get involved, I would ask the Pakistani's if they are willing to accept a forward deployed Chinese supply ship at a Pakistani naval base (for example, pay the Pakistani's for rent of a berth, fuel, and storage for ammunition and other supplies). It will give the Chinese a chance at forward deploying around world, and Pakistan ain't that far from China in case things don't go as planned.
 

optionsss

Junior Member
Re: Somali pirates and Chinese navy

I don't know if killing the pirates is a good idea. Most of there people are just regular fisherman, but got out of luck. They probably all have a family to feed, and are doing it because they have absolute no other way to suivive. I read on NY times, almost all the money they get from piracy goes back to the government and the local warlords. Kind of sad really.
 

mr.bean

Junior Member
Re: Somali pirates and Chinese navy

i'd agree with popeye & pointblank. a cheaper & more practical solution is to set up security teams (perhaps from PAP and name it marine protection unit) and have them board chinese merchant vessels that transverse these dangerous waters off somalia. maybe 8 man teams for each vessel, they stay onboard until they leave the 'danger zone' then they would disembark by small craft back to supply ship. so they would need 2 supply ships at either end of danger zone and small craft to ferry the units on/off the merchant vessel. they don't need special forces type frogmen for this kind of job, just some good PAP guys that can man a 50 caliberr machine gun well and good shooters with the type 95. and they don't really need alot of fancy weapons either. each 8 man unit will have four 50 caliber machine guns plus the standard issue type 95, optical equipment for both day & night use, and finally LOTS of ammo. how is this solution to look after merchant ships with chinese flags? it's way more economical then sending out a group of frigates or destroyers out there. it also leaves a smaller footprint and attracts less attention.
 

swoosh

New Member
Re: Somali pirates and Chinese navy

What China need to do is to work with African Union and the transition government of Somali and Ethiopia to guarantee the safety of China ships. Sending warships won't end the piracy.
 

Semi-Lobster

Junior Member
Re: Somali pirates and Chinese navy

Sort of off topic but just an update on the INS Tabar. According to CNN and the Thai government, the boat sank by the Tabar now appears to have been a Thai fishing trawler under attack by pirates

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SteelBird

Colonel
Re: Somali pirates and Chinese navy

Sort of off topic but just an update on the INS Tabar. According to CNN and the Thai government, the boat sank by the Tabar now appears to have been a Thai fishing trawler under attack by pirates

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If the report is true, how embarrassed it would be for the IN.

Let's make a guess like this: The fishing trawler was attacked by two attack boats of the pirates, the pirates wished to take the vessel as its mother ship while the Tabar came in. The Tabar thought the vessel was a pirate mother ship because they saw pirates roaming on the desk of the vessel with weapons. The pirate refused to stop for inspection, so the battle began.

The vessel used to be a fishing trawler, but it had become a pirate ship when the Tabar battled it. Does this sound logical?
 

Pointblank

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Re: Somali pirates and Chinese navy

Sort of off topic but just an update on the INS Tabar. According to CNN and the Thai government, the boat sank by the Tabar now appears to have been a Thai fishing trawler under attack by pirates

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Sounds like the pirates shot first when they spotted the Tabar approaching. Any sane military commander would retaliate with full force; you don't want to tie your hands behind you in a fight.
 

Finn McCool

Captain
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Re: Somali pirates and Chinese navy

If the report is true, how embarrassed it would be for the IN.

Let's make a guess like this: The fishing trawler was attacked by two attack boats of the pirates, the pirates wished to take the vessel as its mother ship while the Tabar came in. The Tabar thought the vessel was a pirate mother ship because they saw pirates roaming on the desk of the vessel with weapons. The pirate refused to stop for inspection, so the battle began.

The vessel used to be a fishing trawler, but it had become a pirate ship when the Tabar battled it. Does this sound logical?

The Thai ship had been hijacked by pirates and they were holding the crew hostage. The crew of the INS Tabar saw armed pirates on deck and apparently the pirates shot at them when they approached so they Tabar opened fire back. Now at least one of the hostage crew is dead, one was rescued and 14 others are missing. They are probably dead, your chances of surviving an open ocean shipwreck under those circumstances are miniscule.

So that shows the dangers of the "guns blazing" approach to this problem.

It certainly would be possible for the USN to land a Marine battalion or some other such force at Haradhere and Eyl and clear out these pirate dens, try to rescue hostages etc. But would that be a permanant solution, and would it be the correct solution (is it right to kill a bunch of poor ex-fisherman and probably a bunch of civillians and hostages as well). Ultimately the solution to this is to do something about the problem of Somalia as a whole.

Perhaps partition is the answer; the northern parts of the country, Somaliand and Puntland, have their own de-facto governments that desire international recognition. Doing so could allow international aid to flow to them and start development in these relatively peaceful areas, as well create a border to contain the violence and Islamic insurgency in the rest of the country.

Central and Southern Somalia are a problem that no one cares enough about to try to fix. The problems there are so great and terrible and interlocking that I think that almost any effort to fix things would fail. The "provisional government" has been a total failure and will fall apart as soon as the last Ethiopian troops leave. Then it's only a matter of time before the Shahab milita makes a repeat of what the Taliban did in 1996 and defeats the remaining warlords and takes over the country. Without a massive international presence this or some other such disaster like it cannot be prevented. However, since that massive effort is not going to be forthcoming, I believe that partition with international recognition and support of Somaliland and Puntland is the best "containment" option. Any solution to piracy is going to have to be temporary and tactical, like the aforementioned teams of PAP troops embarking on merchant ships or a US airstrike to destroy oceangoing vessels at the pirate's strongholds (the US doesn't seem to worry much about bombing Somalia occasionaly to get terrorists, so they shouldn't have much problem with that either).
 

Semi-Lobster

Junior Member
Re: Somali pirates and Chinese navy

The Thai ship had been hijacked by pirates and they were holding the crew hostage. The crew of the INS Tabar saw armed pirates on deck and apparently the pirates shot at them when they approached so they Tabar opened fire back. Now at least one of the hostage crew is dead, one was rescued and 14 others are missing. They are probably dead, your chances of surviving an open ocean shipwreck under those circumstances are miniscule.

So that shows the dangers of the "guns blazing" approach to this problem.

It certainly would be possible for the USN to land a Marine battalion or some other such force at Haradhere and Eyl and clear out these pirate dens, try to rescue hostages etc. But would that be a permanant solution, and would it be the correct solution (is it right to kill a bunch of poor ex-fisherman and probably a bunch of civillians and hostages as well). Ultimately the solution to this is to do something about the problem of Somalia as a whole.

Perhaps partition is the answer; the northern parts of the country, Somaliand and Puntland, have their own de-facto governments that desire international recognition. Doing so could allow international aid to flow to them and start development in these relatively peaceful areas, as well create a border to contain the violence and Islamic insurgency in the rest of the country.

Central and Southern Somalia are a problem that no one cares enough about to try to fix. The problems there are so great and terrible and interlocking that I think that almost any effort to fix things would fail. The "provisional government" has been a total failure and will fall apart as soon as the last Ethiopian troops leave. Then it's only a matter of time before the Shahab milita makes a repeat of what the Taliban did in 1996 and defeats the remaining warlords and takes over the country. Without a massive international presence this or some other such disaster like it cannot be prevented. However, since that massive effort is not going to be forthcoming, I believe that partition with international recognition and support of Somaliland and Puntland is the best "containment" option. Any solution to piracy is going to have to be temporary and tactical, like the aforementioned teams of PAP troops embarking on merchant ships or a US airstrike to destroy oceangoing vessels at the pirate's strongholds (the US doesn't seem to worry much about bombing Somalia occasionaly to get terrorists, so they shouldn't have much problem with that either).

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Sounds about right according to this BBC article. The Thai owner told the IMB that his ship and crew had been captured but it seems the Tabar did not get the message in time or was never given the message as it actually not directly linked with the International Maritime Bureau
 
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flyzies

Junior Member
Re: Somali pirates and Chinese navy

^ So in other words, IN had bad or no intelligence at all...and fired based on what they could see at the time.
Still shows how their "pirate mothership" remarks were totally exaggerated by both IN and the media over there.
 
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