PLAN Aircraft Carrier programme...(Closed)

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bd popeye

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thanks test bd!

Ok the video is of course well made and very professional in apperance. I just wonder how old it is. Any ideas??

The flight deck crew looks very regimented and stiff..however they appear to be well trained. The flight deck looks in pristine condition..impossible to keep it like that when flight operations are ongoing day after day and night after night.. speaking of night ops..

I've yet to see any photos of the following from CV-16;
1) No night operations
2) No drills..fire, rig the barraicade etc..
3) No RAS/UNREP...gotta know how to do those events in order to stay at sea for a long period of time.
4) More aircraft on the flight deck..C'mon now... they've had this ship underway off and on for nearly four years and the most I'ver ever seen is four aircraft on deck. I stated years ago that it should take 3-5 years to get the ship trained up and operational.

The wisdom of popeye reguarding aircraft carrier matters;

PLAN Carrier Strike Group and Airwing
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I was in the USN for 20 years. I was an "airdale" :D Served on 5 carriers and major NAS's & squadrons. :cool:;) I've been telling members of this forum about how hard the US Navy trains. One member said it was "BS" and just US exxagerating how much the USN trains..Oh really? Some really have no clue. :rolleyes: If anyone could experience 10 days at sea on a USN CVN watching the whole ship work... Espeically the flight deck. They would be in awe period. Having a CV is one thing. But operating one in a efficent manner takes time i.e. experience and lots of training!
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bd popeye said:
thanks test bd!

Ok the video is of course well made and very professional in apperance. I just wonder how old it is. Any ideas??

The flight deck crew looks very regimented and stiff..however they appear to be well trained. The flight deck looks in pristine condition..impossible to keep it like that when flight operations are ongoing day after day and night after night.. speaking of night ops..

I've yet to see any photos of the following from CV-16;
1) No night operations
2) No drills..fire, rig the barraicade etc..
3) No RAS/UNREP...gotta know how to do those events in order to stay at sea for a long period of time.
4) More aircraft on the flight deck..C'mon now... they've had this ship underway off and on for nearly four years and the most I'ver ever seen is four aircraft on deck. I stated years ago that it should take 3-5 years to get the ship trained up and operational.

The wisdom of popeye reguarding aircraft carrier matters;

PLAN Carrier Strike Group and Airwing
posted 09.23.2005..
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Do I understand correctly that there are two crews to keep the flight deck operating 24 hours a day? I suppose that the two crews compete against each other to show which one is better. Do we know whether Liaoning has similarly two, or perhaps three, flight deck crews competing?
 
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bd popeye said:
thanks test bd!

Ok the video is of course well made and very professional in apperance. I just wonder how old it is. Any ideas??

The flight deck crew looks very regimented and stiff..however they appear to be well trained. The flight deck looks in pristine condition..impossible to keep it like that when flight operations are ongoing day after day and night after night.. speaking of night ops..

I've yet to see any photos of the following from CV-16;
1) No night operations
2) No drills..fire, rig the barraicade etc..
3) No RAS/UNREP...gotta know how to do those events in order to stay at sea for a long period of time.
4) More aircraft on the flight deck..C'mon now... they've had this ship underway off and on for nearly four years and the most I'ver ever seen is four aircraft on deck. I stated years ago that it should take 3-5 years to get the ship trained up and operational.

The wisdom of popeye reguarding aircraft carrier matters;

PLAN Carrier Strike Group and Airwing
posted 09.23.2005..
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Pretty sure we've seen this video before as well, with most of the footage being recycled.

When they do do 1-4 it'll probably be a year or more until we actually see pictures of it.
 
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delft said:
Do I understand correctly that there are two crews to keep the flight deck operating 24 hours a day?
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Aboard USN CVN yes. One crew works 12 hours and the other work 12 hours and many still others work flight quarters to flight quarters...about 16 hours.

delft said:
I suppose that the two crews compete against each other to show which one is better. Do we know whether Liaoning has similarly two, or perhaps three, flight deck crews competing?
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Not the USN.. it's a team. They all have the same objective.

delft said:
Do we know whether Liaoning has similarly two, or perhaps three, flight deck crews competing?
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No we do not however....As for the PLAN I doubt if they have more than one crew working on the "roof"...No need. They apparently don't have many aircraft and no night flight ops. Those Chinese shipmates look so clean I bet they only work about 8 hours a day if that.
 
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bd popeye said:
thanks test bd!

Ok the video is of course well made and very professional in apperance. I just wonder how old it is. Any ideas??

The flight deck crew looks very regimented and stiff..however they appear to be well trained. The flight deck looks in pristine condition..impossible to keep it like that when flight operations are ongoing day after day and night after night.. speaking of night ops..

I've yet to see any photos of the following from CV-16;
1) No night operations
2) No drills..fire, rig the barraicade etc..
3) No RAS/UNREP...gotta know how to do those events in order to stay at sea for a long period of time.
4) More aircraft on the flight deck..C'mon now... they've had this ship underway off and on for nearly four years and the most I'ver ever seen is four aircraft on deck. I stated years ago that it should take 3-5 years to get the ship trained up and operational.

The wisdom of popeye reguarding aircraft carrier matters;

PLAN Carrier Strike Group and Airwing
posted 09.23.2005..
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I don't think we can draw too many conclusions from this video since this is made up of a lot of stock footages from the past with mainly prototypes flying.
 
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bd popeye said:
thanks test bd!

Ok the video is of course well made and very professional in apperance. I just wonder how old it is. Any ideas??

The flight deck crew looks very regimented and stiff..however they appear to be well trained. The flight deck looks in pristine condition..impossible to keep it like that when flight operations are ongoing day after day and night after night.. speaking of night ops..

I've yet to see any photos of the following from CV-16;
1) No night operations
2) No drills..fire, rig the barraicade etc..
3) No RAS/UNREP...gotta know how to do those events in order to stay at sea for a long period of time.
4) More aircraft on the flight deck..C'mon now... they've had this ship underway off and on for nearly four years and the most I'ver ever seen is four aircraft on deck. I stated years ago that it should take 3-5 years to get the ship trained up and operational.

The wisdom of popeye reguarding aircraft carrier matters;

PLAN Carrier Strike Group and Airwing
posted 09.23.2005..
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test bd said:
Aboard USN CVN yes. One crew works 12 hours and the other work 12 hours and many still others work flight quarters to flight quarters...about 16 hours.


Not the USN.. it's a team. They all have the same objective.


No we do not however....As for the PLAN I doubt if they have more than one crew working on the "roof"...No need. They apparently don't have many aircraft and no night flight ops. Those Chinese shipmates look so clean I bet they only work about 8 hours a day if that.
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Not sure about the actual age of this video, but appears to be on Youtube just last month. And I must say the Chinese are still in their baby-walking phase with their CVN at this stage, everything looks pristine and new but everything looks fairly rudimentary - training, operations, equipments, etc. China still haven't pop their cherry with incidents like the 1967 USS Forrestal fire, so they are just doing it by the books and thus everything is fairly regimental and rigid.

I say give them a few years maybe a decade before we will see the real result.
 
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I'm just going to pipe in with my occasional note that I think the Liaoning was an opportunistic acquisition and carriers in general are the dream/vanity/experimental projects of elements of the Chinese and PLAN leadership which may be falling out of favor due to likely leaner and tenser times and likely now first hand experience of how difficult and expensive CV operations are.
 
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