PLAN 2018 Review (Jeff Head)

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    Hi Jeff, its very courageous of you to tell us your health issues.
    Although I have been here a short time and unqualified to contribute, I can see your stamp on this forum
    My best wishes to you and hope there is some resolution of this
     
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    THank ou for those kinf words...and WELCOME TO SD!

    We believe SD is the very best military and military technology oriented forum on the net and the members have made it that way.

    God speed and blessings to you and yours!
     
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    I read about the Monsoor completing acceptance trials.

    The US Naval institute and others then talk about the US moving on the Flight III Bukres.

    We will need those ships...but the successor to the Ticos is staring us in the face.

    we know how to build the Zumwalts.

    Put a single 155mm rail gin forward and put 32 more VLS cells in place of the second gun.

    Use the hugs and stealthy superstructure for an even larger AEGIS phased arrary (the one going tinot the flight III Burkes is bigger, but is also scalable and an even larger one is already readdy to go...it just needs a ship.

    Then put two Sea Rams on the aft end over the hanger, and add a couple of Mk-38 Mod 2 auto cannons there too.

    Add the anti-sub/torped suite the carriers are getting and then start building 20 of those vessels.

    We could move right into to doing this because everything they need is already thee.

    We just need an admin with the will to do it.
     
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    Flight III Burke will displace more than a Flight II Burke, looking over 10,000 tons, and at least 45% of the ship will be new. Its a much bigger jump than Flight I to Flight II Burke.

    Flight III Burke doesn't use AEGIS, because AEGIS is technically a Lockheed Martin brand name for their radars, and AMDR happens to be from Raytheon and therefore a competitor. Technically its also a different radar from AEGIS being an active array or AESA (similar to the Type 346 used on Type 052C/D and 055) while SPY-1D or AEGIS uses a passive phase array or PESA. The difference being is that every element in an AESA has its own transmitter and receiver, while in a PESA, every element has its own receiver but shares a common transmitter. So to speak, AESA is what OLED is to PESA which is LCD. What AMDR has is that its commonly compatible with AEGIS common libraries (apps, software).

    The cost of Flight III is going to be high, probably about $2 billion to $3 billion. May end up more.

    To make a new Tico successor cruiser that would differentiate itself from the Flight III, you will likely need at least a 17,000 ton ship, something closer to the Russian Lider class. This will be tremendously expensive and complex.

    Given that the USN is now required by law (!!) to have a 355 ship navy, it no longer has the option of going with fewer but more expensive ships, but rather, instead with greater numbers of lower cost ships.

    And that is why so much depends on the FFG(X) program to provide the USN with a proper workhorse that needs to fit between the LCS and the Burke. I prefer the expediency of smaller ships --- you can build them with not just less cost, but with shorter construction and fitting times before commissioning, which isn't possible with larger ships. I also don't want to over stress on the technology, which in recent years, has shown more trouble than its worth, and instead we need to go with proven and incremental improvements in technology rather than large untried leaps.
     
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    200 aircraft made, very ahead of its time.


    OK.


    Yet the public reaction didn't matter; the program goes on with close to 300 aircraft made and over 2000 planned.


    It was "high intensity of military spending", as in military spending as a percentage of GDP.


    I don't feel like debating exactly why the US did what it did in each of these cases, but there really is no lack of determination in the establishment to continue the present course. Of course foreign policy can be an issue in elections, but there are many underlying directions that are never challenged. Has a single relevant politician ever proposed, let alone achieved, removing an American base from foreign soil or significantly reducing the military budget? (There are many more possible examples.)


    It doesn't.


    My primary intention wasn't to discuss when China would overtake the US militarily, so I don't have a ready-made position. I was mostly saying that facile diagnoses of American (relative) decline are usually wrong.
    Could you list some countries that don't have a broken procurement process? I feel that with such standards very few would qualify.
     
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    All off topic!
     
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    As my last post was deleted, I guess I shouldn't reply here anymore.
     
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    Hi Jeff,

    Thanks for the review. While for many here the projects and details are familiar, there is a real lack of quality English writing on Chinese military matters, and overviews like yours perform a valuable service in helping less familiar folk get up to speed.

    I have read with sadness of your progressing cancer. Though we are of very different minds politically, I respect your even-handed moderation of this forum, and have read with interest the snippets of your life that you have shared here -- including, of course, your model shipbuilding hobby. It is in the nature of military-oriented forums such as these to tend towards an adversarial, politicised discourse that highlights the differences between us, but the things we share run deeper. We all emerge from dust and return to dust. Along the way we try to gain a measure of wisdom, to share our joys and sorrows with family and friends, and to accomplish something meaningful. Thanks for sharing this part of your journey with us.
     
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    You can. Just don't post off topic stuff.
     
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