PLAAF Munitions II

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    TL-20, the Chinese equivalent of the American small diameter bomb, seen here being carried by the L-15 trainer.

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    Question regarding pl-7: are these orange versions training rounds? - as they seem to have the seeker heads. Is quite rare to see a pl-7 in grey/white, almost wondering if that is actually the missile colour? :eek:

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    A handy reference guide to China's export air-to-ground munitions, taken at 2018 Malaysia Defense Show. A similar placard has been shared before, but since that was a long time ago, I'm posting this as a refresher.

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    It’s quite common for training missiles to have live seekers to best simulate missile acquisition and lock before launch.

    Orange would be a very unwise colour for an AAM as it will be so much easier to see and track in flight by whoever you are shooting at.
     
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    Why China's air force prefer stand off weapons over direct attack munition.

     
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    continue

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    What's the reliability of this talking head 陈洪? He's claiming in the video (check at about 10:07) that the PL-10 can reach 60km with a speed of Mach 4.
     
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    When something sounds too good to be true, it usually is.

    Not only do none of the similar weapons worldwide have anything like 60km range, targeting is going to be a serious issue to try shooting IR missiles that far.
     
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    ASRAAM has about 50 km range. It's possible that the commentator is discussing the PL-16, not the PL-10ASR, but you never know. In combat between 5th generation fighters, there is a real need for medium-range IR missiles.
     
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    ASRAAM range is officially 25km+. I am not sure where that often quoted 50km figure came from, but I also consider its 50km claimed range as too good to be true.

    It may have a ballistic range in that ballpark, but that is hardly what I would consider as effective combat range.

    Besides, even the ASRAAM’s claimed 50km range is at M3, making the 60km at M4 claim even more suspect.

    For use against 5th gens, medium range IR missiles are even more suspect, since most fifth gens also employ IR suppression measures, making it even more unlikely you would be able to use those missiles at their full range.

    Besides, if one was serious about a medium range IR missile, it would make far more sense to go with the Fench Mica design philosophy by having a common missile body with different seeker options.

    Not only do you enjoy logistical savings and a bigger seeker head, you won’t be constrained by the size of the side weapons bays in terms of missile design; or be forced to choose shooting in BVR or risking going into WVR guns only.
     
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