H-20 bomber (with H-X, JH-XX)

Inst

Captain
This is purely a artist's rendition. I am highly skeptical of the article's validity as it claims H-20 will carry 4 PL-10 missiles in internal "short range weapon bay" and a 30mm AA cannon.

Really.......?? This is worse than SCMP level rubbish.

Modern SRAAM are multi-use, i.e, carrying dogfight missiles isn't a bad idea if the dogfight missiles are used for point defense against interception BVR missiles.

But 30mm AA cannon? On a platform built for long-range and high stealth at the cost of maneuverability?

It's not inconceivable; as a lightweight last-ditch point defense weapon, and bombers are actually more airframe limited than lift-limited when it comes to maneuverability, but that just strains belief.

Please do remember that the JH-XX / H-XX's analogue / rival isn't going to be the B-2, of which there are so few, but the B-21 platform, a multi-role bomber capable of interception and AEW&C operations.

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I'm not saying to take the article seriously, I'm just pointing out the changes in bomber doctrine (i.e, defensive AA missiles and, likely, active, intercepting chaff on the B-21) that mean preconceived single-purpose notions are no longer valid.
 

Xizor

Captain
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US will, undoubtedly, do a very public rollout of the B-21 Raider next year. They did for the B-2, and they will for the B-21.
China's stealth bomber will roll out shortly after. So late 2020 or 2021. All I do know is that China's bomber isn't for the US but the US bomber is for China. What China aims to accomplish with the H-20 is surely quite mysterious. What can it do that cannot be done by cruise missiles or IRBMs? Certainly it is for Asean, Japan and India.
 

Inst

Captain
US will, undoubtedly, do a very public rollout of the B-21 Raider next year. They did for the B-2, and they will for the B-21.
China's stealth bomber will roll out shortly after. So late 2020 or 2021. All I do know is that China's bomber isn't for the US but the US bomber is for China. What China aims to accomplish with the H-20 is surely quite mysterious. What can it do that cannot be done by cruise missiles or IRBMs? Certainly it is for Asean, Japan and India.

What has to be noted is the laser defense system development by the United States. Once naval versions of this system hit megawatt levels, they can quite effectively cut through tens of cruise missiles as a sort of long-range CIWS with high accuracy. So bomber platforms still matter because they can at least get close, and in theory, they, in the future, can mount laser weapons or autocannons for attack vs naval craft.

Also remember that a lot of Chinese military development is catch-up phase, beyond its mere deterrence ability. To have a stealth bomber simply means that the Chinese are up to the level of the B-2 or B-21, and that future Chinese bombers will have that as a jumping-off point, whether it be in terms of hypersonics or protected gunships.

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Another thing to point out is that with the advent of laser defensive weapons, short-range torpedoes will have a brief rise to eminence as torpedos, by hiding in the water, can elude laser point defense. Have the torpedo stay out of range while airborne, then dive and perhaps supercavitate as the torpedo aims for its target.

Then there's the talk about Chinese metallic powder torpedoes that can literally boil the oceans from underneath a target ship. Interesting stuff.

On the other hand, there are anti-torpedo torpedoes in development by the United States, but as they're still solid munitions, not lasers, they still represent the same vulnerability with regards to saturation attacks as cruise missiles currently do.

In this case, a stealth bomber becomes an ideal torpedo delivery platform.
 

Brumby

Major
. What can it do that cannot be done by cruise missiles or IRBMs? Certainly it is for Asean, Japan and India.

China will run out of cruise missiles and IRBMs before the end of the week against an opponent like Japan or India simply because of the number of aim points.
 

Brumby

Major
Please do remember that the JH-XX / H-XX's analogue / rival isn't going to be the B-2, of which there are so few, but the B-21 platform, a multi-role bomber capable of interception and AEW&C operations.

The B-21 is primarily a bomber, nuclear and conventional. The capabilities of the B-21 is secretive. How on earth can you conclude that the JH-XX is analogue to the B-21? Do you know what are the capabilities of the JH-XX?
 

ougoah

Brigadier
Registered Member
The B-21 is primarily a bomber, nuclear and conventional. The capabilities of the B-21 is secretive. How on earth can you conclude that the JH-XX is analogue to the B-21? Do you know what are the capabilities of the JH-XX?

I'm guessing he means in the sense that these modern "bombers" will be quite a lot more multirole in terms of being able to launch drones, cruise missiles, torpedoes (he's assumption) maybe even DEWs and A2A missiles. So in this way, JH-xx/ H-20 will be more like B-21 in mission profiles than B-2 which was developed with more limited missions in mind, partly due to the requirement for nuclear strikes on the Soviet Union and the electronics of the era it was developed. B-21 retains all these roles but expands on them. There's no evidence of H-20 let alone what it can and can't do but it'll be a bit of a let down if it ends up simply being a stealth bombed capable of only dropping bomb loads and the odd cruise missile. H-6 can do all that and more already albeit without stealth.
 

Xizor

Captain
Registered Member
It'd be pragmatic and wise for China to have a bomber that is similar to the B-21 Raider in
planform area, at the least. The size of B-21 and the emphasis on the per unit cost and program cost from the get-go signals that US is not able to prop-up / sustain big ticket high maintenance items that are far too few in numbers to derive intended results. China is no special. China must ensure that H-20 doesn't become a Su-57.

China also would be keeping in mind the "Distributed lethality" concept that US seeks to pursue with its navy going into the next decades.
I suppose the best counter to "distributed lethality" is "distributed lethality" itself. China has that accomplished partly but seems to be lacking in Networking and C4ISR (isn't it so?). That area needs some looking into. My wish is that H-20 replace or augment the H-6K by providing a stealthy platform for delivering hypersonic missiles to enemy CBG as they breach the second island chain. It would also help keep in check any misadventures by India (primarily) and Japan.
 

Xizor

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Also, why the emphasis on flying wing for H-20? As I understand, the B-2 is less stealthy compared to F-22. The B-2 is a really huge aircraft too. A B-2 Spirit crash is presumed to have happened because one of the sensors were not maintained/checked prior flight and this sensor (due to moisture buildup?) put out skewed data that messed with the computers that controlled the aircraft.
Unless there is another way to pilot a flying wing aircraft, wouldn't China be burdened with the same technological complexities of Sensors-Computers-FBW that of B-2 /flying wing platform?
Wouldn't it be safer and less costly if China went with blended wing or a configuration with a Vertical Control surfaces?

(Tbh, the JH-XX concept had caught my imagination and I root for it :rolleyes:
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