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kwaigonegin

Colonel
Agreed ... You all made your points, no need to continue.

Agreed. We can all make our points w/o getting personal. There is no reason why we can't maintained our patriotism or even nationalistic tendencies w/o getting into one another's personal space. They are no zero sum game.

In regard to foreign policy at the highest levels I believe that Trump knows how to navigate with the Chinese and vice versa. While I'm not personally a huge fan of his, I believe that he and Xi can smooth things out and deescalate if it ever comes to that.

Despite his rhetorics and oftentimes puzzling demeanor I believe that at the end of the day he won't purposefully embark on a caustic and adversarial relationship with China. I think both he and Xi realizes that there is just way too much at stake here to destablize the fragile relationship.

Accidents even caused by boneheaded decisions can be forgiven and mended over time however if someone starts shooting then all bets are off. I like to think military personnel on both sides are given extremely strict ROE with severe consequences not to not have any itchy fingers no matter what.
 

Engineer

Major
Common sense tells you that a barrel roll over a large aircraft at close range is dangerous and oprationally not respectful.

That much is clear.

it was also dangerous and easily can lead to the types of collisions we have already witnessed.

At the sme time, Deino has a point and until we see pics of what actually happened, really none of us can be sure that we are even discussing what actually transpired.

But if they did that...then it was a very dangerous and proactive thing to do in international air space...and certaily not showing any type of respect, operational or otherwise.

Which was clearly the point iof that is what they did. It will lead to a bad incident one day.
Common sense tells you that a fighter jet barrel rolling over a large aircraft is less dangerous than having both aircraft flying in the blind spot of each other. It gave the Chinese pilot a view of the US aircraft at all times. Doing otherwise would actually be unsafe. Whether Chinese aircraft's way of flying was deemed respectful is totally irrelevant, because it was in international airspace. US needs to respect navigation freedom and stop imposing domestic regulations on China.
 
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delft

Brigadier
Exactly, you don't roll fighter aircraft around the target aircraft on a professional, safe intercept, look what happened in the past, its is very dangerous, for both aircrews, but particularly for those on the surveillance aircraft, so yes this was a very "low brow" approach to conducting a legitimate intercept. Maybe "thuggish" is the word that best describes this type of behavior, the US aircraft always maintain course and altitude when being intercepted.

I can assure you that US aircrew do not "krap" their pants as Mangi has suggested on more than one occasion, but that's rather unprofessional as well, to denigrate others and call them names.

I can assure you, that we will conduct to conduct air ops of all types in international airspace, international law, and most nuclear treaties allow that type of surveillance in order to verify that those whom are parties to those treaties keep the terms of those treaties....

Anyway, both China and US have an agreement to conduct flight operations with-in a very specific set of guidelines, target aircraft are to maintain course and heading when being "joined" by the intercepting aircraft. Military traffic follow those protocols to the letter, when someone breaches those guideline, a formal complaint is logged with the offending party, and both sides will negotiate in order to bring everyone back into compliance. We'll see how this plays out, while some think that "bullying" is acceptable, we of course do not practice bullying, nor do we appreciate bullying, whether its ourselves or others who are the recipients.

It's called "innocent passage" vesicles, and that is also spelled out under treaty, you are unarmed and observing, gathering intelligence and conducting your survey, so no, that is the very definition of professionalism, the Russians conducting intelligence gather have been following those very specific protocols, and as long as they do, there's "no harm, no foul".

for posters on the SDF who don't understand the terms and conditions of these protocols, I would suggest you do a little research before casting judgement on others... end off topic, this is the "Chinese purchase of the SU-35 thread, and while I agree that possibly the SU-35s, (there are 4 aircraft in China at this time), will eventually conduct some of these details, its most unlikely that those 4 Flankers are a real factor in any intercepts for some time.
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Question: Were the actions against USS Liberty professional or unprofessional?
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Deino

Lieutenant General
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Guys... Stop now. All aguments made and the discussion now is no longer PLAAF-news related.

End of this debate.
 
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to Moderators: it's a new incident (I know you know, just saying)
Official: Pair of Chinese Fighters Unsafely Intercept U.S. Navy Aircraft Over South China Sea
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Two Chinese fighters unsafely intercepted a U.S. Navy P-3C Orion anti-submarine warfare aircraft over the South China Sea this week, a U.S. defense official told USNI News on Friday.
The P-3C was flying about 150 miles southeast of Hainan Island on patrol when it was engaged by two Chengdu J-10 fighters on May 24 at about 7:30 A.M. local time.

While one fighter took up position about 800 yards off the Orion’s right wing, the other maneuvered about 200 yards in front of the P-3 and began making slow turns in front of the U.S. aircraft. The crew of the P-3 determined the behavior of the Chinese aircraft during the 20-minute encounter was “unsafe,” the official told USNI News.

Chinese fighters have been known to intercept U.S. aircraft operating near Hainan, a major center of the People’s Liberation Army Navy submarine operations.

In May of 2016, the U.S. complained of an unsafe intercept of an U.S. EP-3E Aries II by a pair of Shenyang J-11 fighters near Hainan. In 2014, A U.S. Navy P-8A Poseidon was intercepted by a J-11 near Hainan island in an encounter where the J-11 cut in front of the Poseidon to show off its weapons loadout.

In 2001, an attempted intercept of an E-P3 Aries by a People’s Liberation Army Navy Shenyang J-8 Finback in the region resulted in the death of the Finback pilot and the Aries making an emergency landing on Hainan Island.
 
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