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Air Force Brat

Brigadier
Super Moderator
I do not want to nitpick, but as long the US does not present any prof that this maneuver was risky or unprofessional I still have my doubts. Was there really that roll above the RC-135 or was simply a Su-30 (from what I read) closing the recce-bird and nothing more happened but the US guys are simply crying "foul" in order to keep the issue hot ?

Please don't get me wrong, but the last time (that famous P-8 & J-11BH #24-encounter) we got at least some images, here so far nothing but a hype in the media and China again is the bad-guy.

Deino

and you brother, should "know" that NO US aircrew would lie or report such an incident, if it did not indeed happen, to lie or misrepresent the truth in any way would get you "busted" off flight status permanently, you personally have an international reputation at stake here?

I would never jeopardize my integrity to misrepresent, or mischaracterize someone else's behavior, just to win an argument, but hey, its your "sterling" reputation?
 

jobjed

Captain
It was a fine display of professionalism. The Chinese pilot deserves the utmost respect. He should win an award. Also, China was just exercising freedom of navigation.

Keep in mind that the US aircraft don't cooperate with Chinese intercepts by flying straight and level. With the incident you've talked about, the US aircraft flew as slow as possible so the J-8's couldn't keep up (more like down).

US's notion of operational respect has no authority in international airspace.

Nothing is more dangerous than a man who is convinced he is right. You're talking to someone who cannot accept he's wrong, because he believes he's endowed with righteousness by a divine being. The US prides herself for being "under god" lmao. You really can't expect individuals who subscribe to that dogma to admit that there is something fundamentally wrong with the way their country conducts herself; it doesn't fit their narrative of divine exceptionalism.
 

plawolf

Lieutenant General
and you brother, should "know" that NO US aircrew would lie or report such an incident, if it did not indeed happen, to lie or misrepresent the truth in any way would get you "busted" off flight status permanently, you personally have an international reputation at stake here?

I would never jeopardize my integrity to misrepresent, or mischaracterize someone else's behavior, just to win an argument, but hey, its your "sterling" reputation?

That's clearly not what Deino was saying.

Even accepting your child-like total belief in the absolutely integrity of every single US air crew (not one single bad Apple ever!) what the aircrews reported and what and how their political master choose to say to the press can be very very different things.

I am sure Deino was not questioning the interrity of US aircrews (a courtesy western media and members here seem to categorically refuse to extend to Chinese air crews I might add), but rather the way the stores are reported in the press.
 

KIENCHIN

Junior Member
Registered Member
no way man, you don't want to piss off those ''bad hombres'' down south. China guys need to stay the hell away from THE WALL:mad:
Common Mr.Bean Chinese labour was used to build part of the great rail way west and the wild west was much more dangerous then.
 

Jeff Head

General
Registered Member
US's notion of operational respect has no authority in international airspace.
Common sense tells you that a barrel roll over a large aircraft at close range is dangerous and oprationally not respectful.

That much is clear.

it was also dangerous and easily can lead to the types of collisions we have already witnessed.

At the sme time, Deino has a point and until we see pics of what actually happened, really none of us can be sure that we are even discussing what actually transpired.

But if they did that...then it was a very dangerous and proactive thing to do in international air space...and certaily not showing any type of respect, operational or otherwise.

Which was clearly the point iof that is what they did. It will lead to a bad incident one day.
 

Air Force Brat

Brigadier
Super Moderator
Common sense tells you that a barrel roll over a large aircraft at close range is dangerous and oprationally not respectful.

That much is clear.

it was also dangerous and easily can lead to the types of collisions we have already witnessed.

At the sme time, Deino has a point and until we see pics of what actually happened, really none of us can be sure that we are even discussing what actually transpired.

But if they did that...then it was a very dangerous and proactive thing to do in international air space...and certaily not showing any type of respect, operational or otherwise.

Which was clearly the point iof that is what they did. It will lead to a bad incident one day.

Exactly my point, I have NO Doubt that it happened just as our US Aircrew has characterized it, it has happened before, it is about respect, and typically in the world at large the flying community is very respectful and considerate of how their actions will affect others. NO US aircrew would do such a thing, not because they couldn't?? but because the risk to those on the "transport category" aircraft is so great!

Its very obvious that none of the pro-commenters are pilots, its also obvious that none have ever been inverted in "any" aircraft. I am a pilot, I have been inverted, to maintain level inverted flight requires enough forward stick to pull -1G, it is a lot of forward stick, it is very disorienting, and it does indeed cause "red out", it is more to the point very counter-intuitive....

Any Pilot in every Professional Air Force on the planet, who participated in such a foolish and disrespectful act would be immediately grounded, and "booted out" of that Professional Air Force, particularly US, UK, Germany, or France!

"BOOTED OUT!" and yes, I do know of some USAF Officers who were indeed "booted out" for far less serious infractions.

Filing a complaint is not about whining, it is about warning the other party that their actions are "un-acceptable" in any regard, it is about building a case, it is about evidence for when you do take action, that is all, and that is all I'm going to say about this case at present.
 

Equation

Lieutenant General
Exactly my point, I have NO Doubt that it happened just as our US Aircrew has characterized it, it has happened before, it is about respect, and typically in the world at large the flying community is very respectful and considerate of how their actions will affect others. NO US aircrew would do such a thing, not because they couldn't?? but because the risk to those on the "transport category" aircraft is so great!

Its very obvious that none of the pro-commenters are pilots, its also obvious that none have ever been inverted in "any" aircraft. I am a pilot, I have been inverted, to maintain level inverted flight requires enough forward stick to pull -1G, it is a lot of forward stick, it is very disorienting, and it does indeed cause "red out", it is more to the point very counter-intuitive....

Any Pilot in every Professional Air Force on the planet, who participated in such a foolish and disrespectful act would be immediately grounded, and "booted out" of that Professional Air Force, particularly US, UK, Germany, or France!

"BOOTED OUT!" and yes, I do know of some USAF Officers who were indeed "booted out" for far less serious infractions.

Filing a complaint is not about whining, it is about warning the other party that their actions are "un-acceptable" in any regard, it is about building a case, it is about evidence for when you do take action, that is all, and that is all I'm going to say about this case at present.

So it's a battle of words and perspective without any active evidence. So who's more believable those provocative US regime changer or those Chinese communist air force?o_O
 
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