PLA Small arms

SinoSoldier · Oct 3, 2016

MwRYum said:
There's just one 8.6mm and it looks more like dressing up the ballistic rig, plus the PLA still as yet make a decision on the new "proper" sniper system, from the calibre to match-grade ammo to low-MOE optics and etc.

The rest are on the export catalogue.

The gatling gun would be quite a something, if the PLA adopt it, from the RHIB boats to the (perhaps) future Z-20...

On the contrary, I'm quite certain that at least two .338 rifle designs are being pursued:

1. The rather crude "XY 8.6mm", which I doubt would be its finalized designation:

2. The yet-unnamed rifle from the Hunan Ordnance Industry Group:

The CS/LM12 and CS/LM5 would be suitable additions to helicopter door mounts or perhaps gun pods on attack variants of the Z-20/9. There is photo evidence that the smaller Gatling gun is in service with their airborne troops.

MwRYum · Oct 3, 2016

SinoSoldier said:
On the contrary, I'm quite certain that at least two .338 rifle designs are being pursued:

1. The rather crude "XY 8.6mm", which I doubt would be its finalized designation:
View attachment 32737

2. The yet-unnamed rifle from the Hunan Ordnance Industry Group:
View attachment 32738

Will that's two of 'em but both looks like dressed-up ballistic test rig, only the Hunan Ordnance Industry Group's dressed up "better", but is still looks like crap in my opinion...we need to find some real shooters to enlighten us what's wrong, though.

And given the current designation system, the final designation of the winner wil be QBU-1* (if they doddle it till 2020s, then it'd be QBU-2*)...

In any case, if they try to sell it "as is" in the export market...I can imagine gun magazine like Soldier Of Fortune will have a few pages of laughs, about "how lack of design sense the Chinese arms manufactorum is, churning out such soulless design", though I can imagine there are harsher words available.

SinoSoldier · Oct 3, 2016

MwRYum said:
Will that's two of 'em but both looks like dressed-up ballistic test rig, only the Hunan Ordnance Industry Group's dressed up "better", but is still looks like crap in my opinion...we need to find some real shooters to enlighten us what's wrong, though.

And given the current designation system, the final designation of the winner wil be QBU-1* (if they doddle it till 2020s, then it'd be QBU-2*)...

In any case, if they try to sell it "as is" in the export market...I can imagine gun magazine like Soldier Of Fortune will have a few pages of laughs, about "how lack of design sense the Chinese arms manufactorum is, churning out such soulless design", though I can imagine there are harsher words available.

I'd imagine that these designs would be incrementally improved as per customers' requests, or a lack of customers in the first place. If all else fails, there is nothing stopping them from procuring a few Magpul stock/grip clones.

montyp165 · Oct 4, 2016

MwRYum said:
Will that's two of 'em but both looks like dressed-up ballistic test rig, only the Hunan Ordnance Industry Group's dressed up "better", but is still looks like crap in my opinion...we need to find some real shooters to enlighten us what's wrong, though.

And given the current designation system, the final designation of the winner wil be QBU-1* (if they doddle it till 2020s, then it'd be QBU-2*)...

In any case, if they try to sell it "as is" in the export market...I can imagine gun magazine like Soldier Of Fortune will have a few pages of laughs, about "how lack of design sense the Chinese arms manufactorum is, churning out such soulless design", though I can imagine there are harsher words available.

Honestly, Chinese firearms design isn't really that disparaged by the firearms folks, particularly those in the know, because those who have used Chinese arms such as the Type 81 rifle et al appreciate the overall package. Just check the Canadian firearms sites for example to see feedback on them.

SinoSoldier · Oct 30, 2016

We have GUNS!

Norinco's new NAR family, also dubbed "next-generation modular gun system":
- NAR-556
- NAR-739
- NAR-751

MwRYum · Oct 30, 2016

SinoSoldier said:
We have GUNS!

Norinco's new NAR family, also dubbed "next-generation modular gun system":
- NAR-556
- NAR-739
- NAR-751
View attachment 33574

Enough info to deduce the 3 available caliber are as follows:
5.56mm NATO
7.62mm Soviet M43
7.62mm NATO

Could that be really a all new design, or a further evolution based on the Type 81? Guess we'll know on Tuesday.

SinoSoldier · Oct 31, 2016

So, we have more information on this new family or rifles. It comes in 5.56mm, 7.62x39mm, or 7.62x51mm calibers. There are four rifles in this family.

Assault rifle variants:
- NAR-556/CQC (5.56x45mm)
- NAR-739/CQC (7.62x39mm)
- NAR-751/CFC (7.62x51mm)
Battle rifle variants:
- NAR-556/S (5.56x45mm)
- NAR-739/S (7.62x39mm)
- NAR-751/S (7.62x51mm)
Marksman rifle variants:
- NAR-556/HB (5.56x45mm)
- NAR-751/HB (7.62x51mm)
Light machine gun variants:
- NAR-556/LMG (5.56x45mm)
- NAR-739/LMG (7.62x39mm)
- NAR-751/LMG (7.62x51mm)

SinoSoldier · Oct 31, 2016

More photos of the new NAR family:

TerraN_EmpirE · Oct 31, 2016

That grenade launcher reminds me of the HK M320

vesicles · Oct 31, 2016

Looks awesome! Is this supposed to replace the Type-95's?

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