PLA Small arms

JayBird said:

It will be kind of weird to have the gun recoil going side way and up? Better not use this on hostage situations.

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The Israelis developed Corner Shot for counter Terror ops, Including Close Quarters Hostage breaches. Pistols are harder then rifles to shoot, Corner Shot uses a rifle like structure that makes it easier to shoot. Also in deployed chances are the opening shots are going to take there targets out before the target knows he his being taken out. that's kinda the point.

A write up of the Sino defence Manufacturing... Wait we have a manufacturing division now?
SMG9 a more or less commerical version of the CS/LS5 SMG in 9x21mm IMI ( a alternitive to 9x19mm)

TerraN_EmpirE said:

good catch, That does look very much like a OpsCore FAST High cut ballistic helmet, right down to the way the Velcro is placed on it. I don't think this is a Clone or inspired by but the real deal.
It's popular across nations for SF even seen on Russian SF of Late. The high cut on the sides means virtually unlimited field of view compared to a conventional Fritz or even ACH style the high ear openings are intended for use with bulky coms gear. the camo pattern sported looks like PAP so they probably got it commercially through LE channels

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That pattern also used by PLA special force units, plus PAP's domestic nature, those should be PLA's outfit. But given their lack of freedom when comes to non-issue kits, the appearance of FAST helmet with PLA unit (even with special forces, which seems to be kitted out with increasingly more westernized gear) indeed a surprise to say the least...but then again, if they could have Multicam-pattern BDU for parade, it's getting hard to draw conclusion nowadays.

Now, as to where they get the FAST helmets...

As to where they got it. Its common commercially available and accessible by any good government officials in procurement. Ops Core Fast Helmets have been seen worn by Russian SF as well. FAST is light weight and current ballistic models only offer protection against fragmentation and 9mm low velocity. This makes it equal to French spectra or US ACH or any commonly available model. This means that it is not as restricted to export vs say the Army and Marines new Enhanced Combat Helmet which is rated to stop AK rounds or the Velocity Systems armored shroud that works with a FAST to stop AK rounds.
So they could have easily used LE purchases or government agency channels with little issue.
The Key features that make FAST stand out is its modularity not its protection. I mean it comes with the standard NOD mounting point that can be used to fit Night vision or a ballistic visor. It has m1913 rails on the sides that means cameras lights lasers ecta ecta. Those rails can also be used to mount coms gear. Microphones head phones you name it. There is also a built in harness for attaching a breathing apparatus like a scuba rebreather or gas mask. Or a ballistic mandible there are also attachable ears that mean it has ACH equivalent coverage.

If the PLA is using it, it would suggest to me that there is a Chinese company somewhere making them.

The PAP has no issues buying off-the-shelf, but it is extremely rare for the PLA to field things they cannot make themselves, and lets face it, the FAST helmet is hardly beyond the capabilities of numerous Chinese firms to make.

In a way, I kinda see the PAP as almost performing a field trials service for the PLA. They buy all the newest foreign gear with a law enforcement purchase order, and the PLA will undoubtedly get to play with anything they want from the PAP inventory. If the PLA kinds something they like, they will probably task a Chinese company to make a copy or something based off of it.

I agree wolf. Opscore is a Gentexcorp brand, with extensive US Military contracts and a manufacturing base in the U.S. Although it is possible that they could sub contract with Chinese firms for export orders it seems unlikely.
These being PAP seems the most logical hence my original assertion. And I also agree with your second point if the PLA SF and or PLAAF Para wanted to design and construction of a similar design is not a issue. The internal market already hosts about a dozen or so helmets that offer nearly identical coverage, mounting and protection. Would now be that hard for the current maker of PLA ballistic helmets to cut down the sides and front of there existing shell. then add side mounts and a nod adaptor. The hardest part is the suspension system.

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A write up of the Sino defence Manufacturing... Wait we have a manufacturing division now?
SMG9 a more or less commerical version of the CS/LS5 SMG in 9x21mm IMI ( a alternitive to 9x19mm)

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You have discovered our secret factory!

But looking at the SMG, it looks like a simplified MPX (since it mentioned it has gas system) I wonder how different this SMG compare to the CF11 in the previous page

All semi automatic or Automatic weapons not built by Metalstorm or based on a double action revolver. have gas systems. The question is what kind.

I am a bit lost Terran. Most SMG is recoil operated or delayed roller blow back, very few operates with a gas piston or short stroke action.

Those are gas systems. Short recoil, long recoil, short stroke or long stroke, direct impingement all describe forms of gas operation, they all cycle based on impulse generated via gas pressure released by firing of a round. The question is the means by which the gas energy is harnessed. Long and short stroke pistons harness that energy at muzzle end as does direct impingement. The difference being long stroke moves the piston longer the the length of round short impacts it shorter then and direct skips the piston and uses the gas alone.
Recoil long and short cycles at the chamber using the gas pressure siphoning and channeling it.

Almost all semi auto or fully automatic weapons use one of the aforementioned methods. The exceptions are revolvers that cycle via mechanical mechanism, Metal storm weapons which use electronic firing in pre stacked barrels or Gatlin guns which are operated by electronic motor or hand crank if you want to go Ol' Skool.

Now then although not as common there have been a number of SMGs that use other gas systems. The MPX uses short stroke as does the HK MP7A1. SMG variants of the AR15 use modified stoner direct impingement, Glock 18 and most SMP use Browning blowback.

In this case it does seem to parallel with the MPX, but the MPX seems more refined and compact. MPX also barrows heavily from AR15 well SMG9 barrows extensively from MP5 and the G3 family on which MP5 is descended