PLA Small arms

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  1. TerraN_EmpirE
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    I missed this one. Rather odd choice. The Optic is an American made Leopold HAMR High Accuracy Multi-Range. It’s a fixed power 4x with built in red dot on a sub gun.
     
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    It is indeed, isn't the main optic zeroed to like 300m for a high velocity rifle round anyway? Seems strange to pair it with an SMG.
     
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    Indeed, normally an M4A1 like a ACOG. Max you will get from a SMG is 150m and a red dot is plenty for that.
     
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    I am kinda surprised we even saw these things when you consider the new rifle carbine version or the legacy QBZ95. Basically either one would have fit the job of a crew PDW. And if they wanted more compact they could have gone the way of the Krinkov or G36C. Then the optic is just odd. They probably could have save a lot of money by going to a Chinese made holosun it would have fit the job better. The point of giving a crew of a vehicle small arms is mostly just so if they have to bail out they can hose some infantry and run away to get another tank.
     
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    Leupold means is almost certainly PAP or just regular police SWAT messing around rather than PLA. There is no way the PLA would general issue a foreign (American no less) made optic, and most certainly not one at that price point.
     
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    It’s still eccentric. The HAMR in this configuration is a 4x24 fixed power magnified scope with a delta point mini dot on top. I
    The 4x24 is designed for a 5.56x45mm carbine ranging out to 450m the minidot is far more what you would expect for a 9mm sub gun operating out to 150m the combination is favored as it allows infantry engagement for both CQB and range.

    A check back at previous images does show a HWS on some of the parade guns yet the model shown looks like a Eotech from the US.
     
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    Might not make sense for the military, but such a setup could potentially make sense from a police POV.

    Having 4x magnification could be very useful in hostage rescue/counter terrorism ops in urban and densely populated locations where the added accuracy from the scope married with a gun-round combo with minimal risk of over penetration could be very valuable to first responders. And for urban ops in most counter terrorism situations, the engagement range for fast paced, dynamic, first responder scenarios, the engagement ranges are going to be very short, so 150-200m should cover the vast majority of those scenarios.

    Obviously you don’t want your whole SWAT team so equipped, but having one member in the team with this mini-DMR setup would make sense in my view. It would certainly be much safer and user friendly then the typical 556/5.8 combat rifles I regularly see at airports and city centres (western nations only) world wide.

    You are never going to face COD ‘no-Russian’ style terrorist attacks in the real world for which most armed police seemed to be gearing up for. In the real world, for 99.9% of realistic terrorism scenarios, you are going to be seeing lone or small groups of terrorists with knives or similar primitive weapons, where precision and reaction times are going to be key to minimising civilian casualties and collateral damage.

    Every time I see police with such military weapons, I just cringe internally and pity the officers if they ever need to use those weapons for real, as they would be faced with the unenviable choice of making a timely shot or waiting for a safe shot with a safe backstop before firing. I can easily see lives being lost needlessly either way and the officers being tormented with what ifs no matter how they played it.
     
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    how would the USA allow to export those to PAP/PLA? (most likely PAP)
     
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    Law enforcement falls under a different category apparently, otherwise for the last 2 decades Chinese police as well as PAP elements won't be getting all those Western gear.
     
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    you know that PAP is part of PLA during a wartime. I think the arm embargo to PAP is a very good thing for PLA/PAP
     
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