The barrel is unusually long for a QBZ 95-1 plus the bipod. Is this a new DMR config of the 95-1? I understand that the QBB 95 has a similar setup but the ones in the pictures have magazines in rather than a drum.Soldiers of the 79th army appear to be equipped with a new scope. It doesn't look like an import to me, since it has that characteristic soft rubber eye piece.
Also note the brass catcher...
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that's definitely a QBB-95. The hand guards are very different on those two
it's good to have interchangable magazines with the rest of the section. But QBU 88 I believe is more accurate and ammo is still interchangable.
TerraN_EmpirE
Tyrant King
QBB95 is the Automatic rifle version. Hence the long barrel and bipod.
Longer barrels for DMR rifles demand a heavier profile to reduce flex.
Longer barrels for DMR rifles demand a heavier profile to reduce flex.
Yes, but the QBB 95 in the pictures is loaded with a magazine and the new optic, just a thought of whether that may be a change in doctrine to start inducting QBB 95s as a quasi-DMR for better interoperability, taking advantage of the side-effect of the longer barrel of the squad automatic weapon? This is from ARMA 3, a game I play but this is what I mean. All same weapon, same caliber. The SAW variant and the DMR variant are approximately the same.
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TerraN_EmpirE
Tyrant King
Arma is a video game with video game logic optimized by programmers who deal in software.
When there have been attempts at what you are saying they usually fail or are short lived until a better optimized DMR comes along The L86A2 for example, though it lasted a while as fighting dragged out the British moved to the L129A1 and with the latest SA80A3 work have decided not to continue the L86.
The M38 by the USMC followed that logic today but I suspect the Marines will be picking up US Army M110A1 rifles in the not to distant future.
The issue is that the needs of a LMG and a DMR conflict leaving the weapon lacking in one area of the other.
QBB99 was optimized for use as a IAR the high placement of the optic and barrel mounting of the bipod would detract from it's ability as a DMR.
For a DMR you want to have the barrel and Optic with as close a bore sight as possible where in a IAR area effect is okay. In a DMR you want to free float the barrel for harmonics the bipod on the QBB would mess with that. The L86 Which did do something like what you are talking about had to reinforce the barrel with a strut that ran along the under side of the barrel to the receiver to take the weight of the bipod and alleviate barrel flex.
Farther more one of the changes made for some DMRs is removal of the burst or auto sear from the trigger group this is done to improve trigger pull but at the cost of automatic fire.
The PLA designed and built the QBU88 to optimize it as a DMR for there squads. Now yes it's not perfect but it offers more to accuracy then the QBB95. Now yes it might be nice to use the same magazine as the rest of the squad, but it comes in that at the cost of sitting the rifle very high in the prone with a already very high sight line.
When there have been attempts at what you are saying they usually fail or are short lived until a better optimized DMR comes along The L86A2 for example, though it lasted a while as fighting dragged out the British moved to the L129A1 and with the latest SA80A3 work have decided not to continue the L86.
The M38 by the USMC followed that logic today but I suspect the Marines will be picking up US Army M110A1 rifles in the not to distant future.
The issue is that the needs of a LMG and a DMR conflict leaving the weapon lacking in one area of the other.
QBB99 was optimized for use as a IAR the high placement of the optic and barrel mounting of the bipod would detract from it's ability as a DMR.
For a DMR you want to have the barrel and Optic with as close a bore sight as possible where in a IAR area effect is okay. In a DMR you want to free float the barrel for harmonics the bipod on the QBB would mess with that. The L86 Which did do something like what you are talking about had to reinforce the barrel with a strut that ran along the under side of the barrel to the receiver to take the weight of the bipod and alleviate barrel flex.
Farther more one of the changes made for some DMRs is removal of the burst or auto sear from the trigger group this is done to improve trigger pull but at the cost of automatic fire.
The PLA designed and built the QBU88 to optimize it as a DMR for there squads. Now yes it's not perfect but it offers more to accuracy then the QBB95. Now yes it might be nice to use the same magazine as the rest of the squad, but it comes in that at the cost of sitting the rifle very high in the prone with a already very high sight line.
Well I think the 22-inch barrel of the QBB-95 is ideal for maximizing the performance of the DBP-10 5.8mm ammo.
TerraN_EmpirE
Tyrant King
Hard to say. Most modern intermediate calibre rounds stop getting additional velocity at around 17 inches.
MwRYum
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Likely scenario is that they're playing out with whatever they got at hand, to see what's what.
Even in terms of DMR, bypod mounted on the barrel instead on the chassis is still detrimental to the accuracy issue, regardless whether they use normal barrel with general issue munition, instead of selected barrel pair with match-grade munition and low-MOA scope.
Like I've said before, it'll take a real shooting war to get them embrace those hard-earned lessons the West have implemented for decades.
Here's the CCTV program where those screenshots were taken from, @11:50. The beginning talks about how after observing the firepower and cruelty of terrorist groups from around the world in recent years, the PAP is responding by developing a technological edge to enable a decisive first strike. PAP special forces squads now compose of 15 people with 8 changeable “modules” depending on the mission: command, assault, sniper, heavy firepower (destroying bunkers and vehicles and provide fire support), explosive ordinance disposal, recon, rescue and communication. They are working on better coordinating the different "modules" to improve combat efficiency. Training with Russian special forces has taught the PAP some lessons from real combat.The Snow Leopard Commando unit is sporting some new kit (helmet cams and monocle display, and some of kind of forearm mounted display or computer?)... Does anyone recognize the scope?
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