I don't know about "hours". Also, you don't have to lube any part of the gun prior to use if you've already cleaned it before storage. Like I said before, I clean my 6920 roughly every thousand rounds spending less than an hour each time. Out of a projected 10,000 round barrel life, that's less than 10 hours of cleaning total over the entire life of the barrel. And if you fire in automatic frequently, barrel life is going to be less than half that number. Even with dirty, hard combat usage the cleaning time isn't going to be more than an hour.I was referring to this upper and lower receiver. ALL M-16 types whether it's older model or new have this same mechanisms. THIS alone where many soldiers and gun owners have to spend hours on cleaning and drying it as well. One have to lubricate it with CLP prior to use and than CLP it again to clean. That is a lot of work to keeping in good condition.
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Equation
Lieutenant General
Maybe for you, but for many users that I've known, the chamber and bolt carrier has to be lubricated even after previous cleaning. The bad side about this is it also accumulates dirt, dust, carbon, and grimes as well. After using the weapon has to disassemble and strip of all the major parts to be clean thoroughly and put it back together and do a function check before storing it away and repeat. That is too much hassle for any weapon to take care of due to is jamming reputation.
Again, it doesn't have a "jamming reputation". Unless you're talking about Vietnam era M16s. Those are now gone and replaced by non-jamming versions. Please provide any kind of evidence that current generation M16s and M4s are jam-prone compared to other rifles in service. Also, the chamber and bolt carrier do NOT have to be lubed after previous cleaning, as long as you lube it at the end of cleaning before storage, which is what everybody does anyway. When you take it out of storage or take it on your next deployment, there is no further preparation necessary other than putting a magazine into the mag well, pointing it at the enemy, and pulling the trigger.
Equation
Lieutenant General
You didn't take this random internet person's perspective into account. He wants a short-ranged rifle to be used after the end of the world is upon us. If you want to sacrifice accuracy and the requisite tighter tolerances for your perception of less jams, that's all you; go right ahead. Most of the rest of us aren't planning to gun down hoards of rampaging cannibal looters at short range. Also, and more importantly, he does NOT criticize the actual RELIABILITY of the M16, but rather prefers the AK's "supportability" and "simplicity" over the M16 for his end of the world scenario. So he is not even talking about what you want him to talk about.
Here is a much more balanced discussion of the M16's reliability:
There are hoards of such discussions on other boards like AR15 and M4carbine. Get yourself a username and password to these forums and get a better perspective of these rifles.
TerraN_EmpirE
Tyrant King
look end of the Day this all started with me posting a video of someone shooting a NSR and his reactions of the experience.
Kinda smallish charging handle, Wonky sights Accurate-ish , Spongy long Trigger ( common complaint for bullpups), non beveled magazine well and rightly only. but for that it's a comfortable gun to shoot, soft recoil, can be limited use of left shoot but not for long. lightweight, So more or less the grade here sounds like a C- nothing special.
But Price is low about 2 NSR for the price of a FS2000
Which was nicely finished by Pi with. "you get what you pay for."
Now remember this was the Canadian NSR Type 97. not the top of the line QBZ 97. the magazines used here were canadian legal 5 round AR type.
what this means is that the NSR is using the weakest link in the AR series the Magazine. and carries over the weakest links from the QBZ95 gen 1 in that it doesn't have the improvements made in the QBZ95-1.
the complaint of the sights in the videos Front sight is AK style which is okay. The rear sight needs some work. 4 settings 3 peeps which is weird as why? one of the sights is a post that would block the front sight. The others are squared aperture sights. which is okay but based on description just sort of fuzz out.
The Ejection port is pretty far forward on the weapon and apparently with good ammo ejection is forward this allows some left shooting but not total operation. basically you can corner with it.
The magazine would vary based on version so would issues.
95-1 is known to have added a case deflector around the ejection port.
Selector is far to the rear this we know is corrected on the 95-1. no word on Trigger pull. but I doubt the PLA would have paid Norinco to change that. Fact is most military weapons have long creepy trigger pulls bullpup or otherwise. Another change made in the 95-1 was the addition of a bolt release behind the magazine ejection latch.
Charging handle is on the small side for a single small finger.
The Disassembly video mentioned the adjustable gas block a feature almost never mentioned in these that is gaining popularity these days. this is a bypass on the gas system so if the gun is having issues like fouling the user can choose to over gas the system. a number of weapons have been getting these lately to aid in suppression of the weapon by restricting amount of gas in the system allowing more control as Suppressors over gas. this allows the user to move from normal to adverse. normal being the smaller gas intake well adverse opens up wider. Of course this has the downside of meaning a faster rate of fire and more wear on the weapon. The QBZ version has a bullet casing key shaped into the switch which is nice for a hot gun, but is shaped for the 5.8x42mm case so it's meant for the 95.
Non captive pins. Common problem for a number of weapons. Captive pins means that you less parts that can get lost in maintenance and field strip . not a need though most world's weapons don't have them.
But Price is low about 2 NSR for the price of a FS2000
Which was nicely finished by Pi with. "you get what you pay for."
Now remember this was the Canadian NSR Type 97. not the top of the line QBZ 97. the magazines used here were canadian legal 5 round AR type.
what this means is that the NSR is using the weakest link in the AR series the Magazine. and carries over the weakest links from the QBZ95 gen 1 in that it doesn't have the improvements made in the QBZ95-1.
the complaint of the sights in the videos Front sight is AK style which is okay. The rear sight needs some work. 4 settings 3 peeps which is weird as why? one of the sights is a post that would block the front sight. The others are squared aperture sights. which is okay but based on description just sort of fuzz out.
The Ejection port is pretty far forward on the weapon and apparently with good ammo ejection is forward this allows some left shooting but not total operation. basically you can corner with it.
The magazine would vary based on version so would issues.
95-1 is known to have added a case deflector around the ejection port.
Selector is far to the rear this we know is corrected on the 95-1. no word on Trigger pull. but I doubt the PLA would have paid Norinco to change that. Fact is most military weapons have long creepy trigger pulls bullpup or otherwise. Another change made in the 95-1 was the addition of a bolt release behind the magazine ejection latch.
Charging handle is on the small side for a single small finger.
The Disassembly video mentioned the adjustable gas block a feature almost never mentioned in these that is gaining popularity these days. this is a bypass on the gas system so if the gun is having issues like fouling the user can choose to over gas the system. a number of weapons have been getting these lately to aid in suppression of the weapon by restricting amount of gas in the system allowing more control as Suppressors over gas. this allows the user to move from normal to adverse. normal being the smaller gas intake well adverse opens up wider. Of course this has the downside of meaning a faster rate of fire and more wear on the weapon. The QBZ version has a bullet casing key shaped into the switch which is nice for a hot gun, but is shaped for the 5.8x42mm case so it's meant for the 95.
Non captive pins. Common problem for a number of weapons. Captive pins means that you less parts that can get lost in maintenance and field strip . not a need though most world's weapons don't have them.
Equation
Lieutenant General
If someone is mentioning about preferring the AK 'supportability' and 'simplicity' that says a lot about the M16 lack of durability and ruggedness. In combat scenario you need a trusted assault rifle that you can trust. You are not going to kill every enemy within a 300 meter range all the time. There is far too much maintenance in the M16 types NEEDED in order to keep it from jamming. There are a lot more information about the M16/M4 types problems than there are on the AK on the internet and on Youtube. You can look them up yourself.
Equation
Lieutenant General
Not to mention the QBZ95 doesn't get jammed up as often as the M16 or M4 types.
No, it doesn't. What he is saying about "supportability" and "simplicity" is NOT what you are claiming about "reliability", "durability", and "ruggedness". You should find an article that actually supports what you are saying about the M16's reliability.
I'd like to see you come up with actual numbers that support this claim. Not some anecdotal reports, but actual numbers of jams, one weapon vs the other.
TerraN_EmpirE
Tyrant King
Seriously Equation. That is an unqualified assessment based on Personal feelings less than field results.
And the weakest point of the AR15 series has been the magazines the same magazines are used in the Type 97 variants. This is why the US, UK, Canada, Isreal and FN, HK, Magpul and others have redesigned the AR15 Magazine over a dozen times. So using USGI magazines I expect the 97 to have the issues you point to.
And the weakest point of the AR15 series has been the magazines the same magazines are used in the Type 97 variants. This is why the US, UK, Canada, Isreal and FN, HK, Magpul and others have redesigned the AR15 Magazine over a dozen times. So using USGI magazines I expect the 97 to have the issues you point to.