pla armored vehicles

Red Guard

Junior Member
i don't know what your "modern war requiremetns" are. if you are talking about urban warfare, no 86 is not okay for that. but as far as today's PLA consider on 86 IFV, it still functions as a field combat IFV, it's suitable, even though i am not a fan of 86.
 

ahho

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anyone got the article about the type-86 upgrade??? It somehow talk about the chinese BMP-1 being fitted with the BMP-3 turret

I got another question, can a type-92 turret be armed with atgm??
 

sumdud

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Most of Taiwan's tanks suck, but not all of them.
But you have to factor in the M60A3s. Not the best, but a big threat for the Marines.
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376, that's pretty darn much for Taiwan.
And there are the M48s which, even if filmsy, are still tanks.

The HJ-73C is good for infantry, since it's portable, but it's not a very good weapons for a vehicle. Its penetration is poor relative to HJ-8 and 9. Its range is only 3km.
And the Type 86 sucks when it comes to protection.
I'd rather have 89s and 92s fitted with ATGMs and a gun.
We have seen the type 89s w/ 4 ATGMs and a 30mm already. (Like the Terminator.)
And to ahho, are you counting the HJ-9 vehicle?
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In my opinion, it is better to produce type 89s and 92s fitted with whatever they need than to produce those type 86s.
 

ahho

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sumdud said:
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Most of Taiwan's tanks suck, but not all of them.
But you have to factor in the M60A3s. Not the best, but a big threat for the Marines.
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376, that's pretty darn much for Taiwan.
And there are the M48s which, even if filmsy, are still tanks.

The HJ-73C is good for infantry, since it's portable, but it's not a very good weapons for a vehicle. Its penetration is poor relative to HJ-8 and 9. Its range is only 3km.
And the Type 86 sucks when it comes to protection.
I'd rather have 89s and 92s fitted with ATGMs and a gun.
We have seen the type 89s w/ 4 ATGMs and a 30mm already. (Like the Terminator.)
And to ahho, are you counting the HJ-9 vehicle?
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In my opinion, it is better to produce type 89s and 92s fitted with whatever they need than to produce those type 86s.
well i was talking about some article that someone posted before not the hj-9 launcher.

Type-92 with 4 atgm :eek: So bad ass :)

Just wondering, would they use the new ifv (bmp-3 style) for the landing and is it fully amphibious
 

adeptitus

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The ROC military's tanks are way obsolete, but they're worth something simply because whatever the PLAAF air drops is likely to be lighter (than M60's) and the PLAN would have to make it all the way across to ship in any heavier MBT's.

During the Chiang family era in Taiwan, Chiang Wei-Kuo (the other son of Chiang Kai-shek) was the commanding general of the ROC army's armor division. It was said that the quality of training and discipline was quite good in those days, even Singapore sent officers to train with them. Chiang Wei-Kuo himself served in the German Wehrmacht as a Lieutenant & commanded a panzer tank in Austria in 1938. But General Chiang is long gone and I donno what the state of ROC armored division is these days.
 
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darth sidious

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if your are talking about a sea born assualt then tha chinese will have something better then the BMP-1

taiwan is not sutible for armour simply beacause of all the mountians and hills

HJ-73C=saggers that kill israeli tanks

M-60=israeli tank destoryered in 73 war

also the taiwanese tanks will be subjected to air attack before the chinese even lands

the taiwanese tanks now are more comparble to the T-59 and the T-62 in chinas junk yard

Chiang Wei-Kuo comanded some M-4 during the battle of huei hi in 1948
he was stoped by a death squad armed with pipe bombs and pistols

that should give you an idea on his ability



END NOTE taiwan has no real tank force
 
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Red Guard

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darth sidious said:
if your are talking about a sea born assualt then tha chinese will have something better then the BMP-1

taiwan is not sutible for armour simply beacause of all the mountians and hills

HJ-73C=saggers that kill israeli tanks

M-60=israeli tank destoryered in 73 war

also the taiwanese tanks will be subjected to air attack before the chinese even lands

then taiwanese now is more comparble to the T-59 and the T-62 in chinas junk yard right now

Chiang Wei-Kuo comanded some M-4 during the battle of huei hi in 1948
he was stoped by a death squad armed with pipe bombs and pistols

that should give you an idea on his ability



END NOTE taiwan has no real tank force


one thing i couldn't really agree with you. which i see what you are saying for HJ-73.
a little note on HJ-73. HJ-73 is originally from sagger, and it has 3 generations. HJ-73A, HJ-73B, and HJ-73C. HJ-73A is about the original one with the regular amour piecing warhead, B is with the....how do you stay the stick shape warhead, and C has little wings on the stick warhead. which HJ-73C is the best in the family so far, it is a fearful weapon to regular tanks. some say, a couple of the US tanks destroyed in iraq or T-72 in south europe were destroyed by it, of course it's only a rumour. but HJ-73C could be the third best ATGM in PLA, next to HJ-8, 9. the advantage of it is, it's cheap, very cheap.
 

sumdud

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?_? M-60 useless?
Maybe I guess. The thing was rated to be at the same level as the Type 88 anyway.

And BTW
which HJ-73C is the best in the family so far, it is a fearful weapon to regular tanks. some say, a couple of the US tanks destroyed in iraq or T-72 in south europe were destroyed by it
That's 90% chance a rumor. When did HJ-73Cs leave China?
 

darth sidious

Banned Idiot
think he ment their use in sebia during that war there were some chinese missiles notabley the HJ-8

so there is a chance that the monkey verison of the T-72 was destoryered by that missile

the israeli tanks werent the M-60a3 but the egyptions also dont have the improved HJ-73c

also in the gulf war some M60 did get their ass kicked by the BMP-1
 

Red Guard

Junior Member
what? M60 is rated at type 96's level? you gotta be kidding me! type 96 is like a 3 and half generation tank, it's better than T-72. M60 to type 96 is like a M4 to Panther!
 
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