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The phrase means “innovation”.
PLA Anti-Air Missile (SAM) systems
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The phrase means “innovation”.
Hendrik_2000
Lieutenant General
Nice shot "On guard" via Dafengcao
PLAAF HQ-22 SAM.
PLAAF HQ-22 SAM.
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That is an issue to be levied with most SAMs of Russian/Chinese of whose origins which dates back before the 1990s . To be fair most of the SAMs they deploy has a bigger warhead compared to Western SAM systems, but that does not explain away the extra bulkiness of the entire missile.
Another possible explanation would be that the missile was intended to have that kind of range, but China could not be bothered to come up with a new missile body for it, opting instead of reusing the HQ-9/S-300 series missile.
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Hendrik_2000
Lieutenant General
What short range, 175km is not short by any mean I don't know what you mean by short? Even HQ 9 is only 200 to 250 km. The export version is 100 km
The HQ-22 has large kill airspace ranges up to 150-170 km at an altitude from 50 to 27,000m which super adaptive anti-jamming capacity with several anti-jamming measures.
The HQ-22 have FK-3 export version. It is capable of intercepting various targets like fixed-wing aircraft (including UAV), cruise missiles, tactical air-to-surface missiles, armed helicopters, etc. Killing zone: slant range 5km-100km/altitude 0.05km-27km.
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Hendrik_2000
Lieutenant General
There are different version of K12 or HQ22 mainly it has to do with different the radar
Overview
The KaiShan-1 (also known as the Hong Qi-12) is the first Chinese aerial defense system to feature a phased-array radar, with each variant having a further range than the last.A typical HQ-12 battery includes one planar passive phased-array radar (PPAR), four launchers preloaded with two missiles each, and 16 additional missiles, along with command-and-control and generator units.The PLA claims HQ-12 has a single-shot kill probability of 89 percent.
Differences between the variants are due primarily to different radar units: KS-1 typically uses SJ-212 engagement radar, derived from the Russian 30N6E1 Tomb Stone, which can track up to 50 targets and engage three of them at ranges up to 27 kilometers.KS-1A has used two types of engagement radar; the original HT-233 radar has a range of 50 kilometers, and the newer H-200 radar has a range of 70 kilometers and can track up to 100 targets.Along with using the H-200 radar, KS-1C fires individually-launched, cannister-encased missile rounds instead of paired, rail-mounted missiles; this effectively doubles the number of potential interceptors available in each battery.
In 2016, China unveiled the advanced HQ-22 and its identical export designation, FK-3. HQ-22 is a second-generation variant of the HQ-12, which features a medium-long engagement range of 150 to 170 km.HQ-22 can reportedly destroy U.S. third-generation aircraft.It is roughly equivalent to the MIM-23 Hawk, the precursor to the American Patriot system.
Strategic Implications
The HQ-12 was primarily designed to destroy UAVs and helicopters, but its more advanced variants are also capable of destroying ballistic and cruise missiles flying at speeds exceeding Mach 3.While the original HQ-12 system is largely obsolete, the KS-1A and KS-1C offer reliable protection for Chinese military assets and coastal cities. Moreover, PLA’s developments of the HQ-22 and FK-3 should trouble the United States. The real danger lies in FK-3’s export potential, as the extended-range engagement radar and high kill probability could render U.S. allies’ third-generation aircraft inoperable in Central and Southeast Asia in the event of a conflict.
Overview
The KaiShan-1 (also known as the Hong Qi-12) is the first Chinese aerial defense system to feature a phased-array radar, with each variant having a further range than the last.A typical HQ-12 battery includes one planar passive phased-array radar (PPAR), four launchers preloaded with two missiles each, and 16 additional missiles, along with command-and-control and generator units.The PLA claims HQ-12 has a single-shot kill probability of 89 percent.
Differences between the variants are due primarily to different radar units: KS-1 typically uses SJ-212 engagement radar, derived from the Russian 30N6E1 Tomb Stone, which can track up to 50 targets and engage three of them at ranges up to 27 kilometers.KS-1A has used two types of engagement radar; the original HT-233 radar has a range of 50 kilometers, and the newer H-200 radar has a range of 70 kilometers and can track up to 100 targets.Along with using the H-200 radar, KS-1C fires individually-launched, cannister-encased missile rounds instead of paired, rail-mounted missiles; this effectively doubles the number of potential interceptors available in each battery.
In 2016, China unveiled the advanced HQ-22 and its identical export designation, FK-3. HQ-22 is a second-generation variant of the HQ-12, which features a medium-long engagement range of 150 to 170 km.HQ-22 can reportedly destroy U.S. third-generation aircraft.It is roughly equivalent to the MIM-23 Hawk, the precursor to the American Patriot system.
Strategic Implications
The HQ-12 was primarily designed to destroy UAVs and helicopters, but its more advanced variants are also capable of destroying ballistic and cruise missiles flying at speeds exceeding Mach 3.While the original HQ-12 system is largely obsolete, the KS-1A and KS-1C offer reliable protection for Chinese military assets and coastal cities. Moreover, PLA’s developments of the HQ-22 and FK-3 should trouble the United States. The real danger lies in FK-3’s export potential, as the extended-range engagement radar and high kill probability could render U.S. allies’ third-generation aircraft inoperable in Central and Southeast Asia in the event of a conflict.
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He said "how relatively short ranged it is for something so big." Which in this case holds some water. The exact specifications of the HQ-22 missiles as to their length, width and weight is unknown but seeing as it can trace it's lineage back to the HQ-9 we can make a reasonable assumption that it totals out as such :
1) Length=6.8m
2) Width= 700mm at the widest
3) Weight= Around 1300kg
In comparison, other SAMs like the SM-6 has a weight of 1500kgs, a length of 6.6ms, and a width of 530mms max, with a range of 250km and a operational altitude of 34,000m. One can make the completely sound argument that the extra 200kgs is relegated to fuel for the missile, but it does not change the fact that the SM-6 is a sleeker and slimmer missile in comparison with the HQ-22.
SinoSoldier
Colonel
The PLA has disclosed more information on its next-generation SAM/ABM system. The following has been reported by "星海军事", AKA @Interstellar .
Summary: on the 60th anniversary of the PLAAF's SAM forces, it was reported that a next-generation SAM is being developed & deployed, in accordance with the force's "anti-air, anti-missile" doctrine.
It is also noted that the Air Defence Staff's Ground Defence Bureau made the statement that the PLAAF's SAMs are shifting from a purely "air defense" role to one that embodies both "air defense" and "missile defense".
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My own $0.02:
This is almost certainly the same system that was called the HQ-2X (formerly & erroneously referred to as the "HQ-29"), which is allegedly a terminal ABM interceptor and SAM that was first test-flown in 2011.
Summary: on the 60th anniversary of the PLAAF's SAM forces, it was reported that a next-generation SAM is being developed & deployed, in accordance with the force's "anti-air, anti-missile" doctrine.
It is also noted that the Air Defence Staff's Ground Defence Bureau made the statement that the PLAAF's SAMs are shifting from a purely "air defense" role to one that embodies both "air defense" and "missile defense".
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My own $0.02:
This is almost certainly the same system that was called the HQ-2X (formerly & erroneously referred to as the "HQ-29"), which is allegedly a terminal ABM interceptor and SAM that was first test-flown in 2011.
antiterror13
Brigadier
I totally agree SM-6 is better than HQ-22 ... so what ? .. you don't need to have all super advanced SAM, it should be based on the purposes
do you know that SM-6 cost is US$4M each and HQ-22 cost I'd imagine is less than $0.5M, so SM-6 is like 10x more expensive than HQ-22, and only 1.5 to 2x better
.. so please tell me which one is better overall?