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So that he looks like a ChiCom? :D

Seriously, it seems only fighter pilots from North Korea, Vietnam and China wear these ugly jackets.

If China wants better PR, they really need to dump these ugly jackets. Not to mention when and if they get shot down over sea, these guy would sink. The modern flightsuits NATO/Western fight pilots wear all have floatation bouy built-in.

The pilots do wear modern flight suits underneath the jacket. So the pilots should enjoy the same benefits of modern flight suits. That suggests that the jacket shouldn't be for any functional purposes. Is it that, as Equation suggested, the jacket is some kind of statement piece, or something like the "golden helmets"?

It has been confusing me for a long time that we see some PLAAF pilots wearing blue or green flight suits. And we see pilots wearing jackets over their flight suits. Is this a weather thing? In cold weather, pilots walk around on the ground with their jackets and then take the jackets off once inside the cockpit?

Do we actually have any photos of PLAAF pilots in their jackets in flight? Not just sitting inside the cockpit with their jackets, but actually in a flying plane.
 

Ultra

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The pilots do wear modern flight suits underneath the jacket. So the pilots should enjoy the same benefits of modern flight suits. That suggests that the jacket shouldn't be for any functional purposes. Is it that, as Equation suggested, the jacket is some kind of statement piece, or something like the "golden helmets"?

It has been confusing me for a long time that we see some PLAAF pilots wearing blue or green flight suits. And we see pilots wearing jackets over their flight suits. Is this a weather thing? In cold weather, pilots walk around on the ground with their jackets and then take the jackets off once inside the cockpit?

Do we actually have any photos of PLAAF pilots in their jackets in flight? Not just sitting inside the cockpit with their jackets, but actually in a flying plane.


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I don't see any floatation bouy on the Chinese flight suit.
And the jacket looks heavy and cubersome.
 
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Blitzo

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I'm just going to make a post here, and I'd like it if @Deino could move this post and the last few OT ones into the thread I linked to in my last post.

So regarding the question about flight suits, there are certain elements we need to consider.

First there are the "flight overalls" themselves, which is essentially a one piece jumpsuit. Most western air forces use dark green, and the Chinese military is transitioning to dark green overalls as well, but they still have a good number of blue flight overalls... obviously, because western air forces and pilots are most often seen in action, green overalls have been psychologically conditioned to look "cooler" and more "modern". For instance, when we see a Chinese pilot and a Pakistani pilot shake hands both wearing only flight overalls, the Pakistani pilot looks much sharper, simply because he's wearing green.

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Second of all, we have the question which Ultra brought up, which was the issue about the flight jacket and flight vest itself. Flight vests come in various types, some are life preservers with floatation devices built in, and some have survival gear (knives, even firearms) carried on them, and some even have redundant oxygen gear on them probably in case if their onboard life support fails.

The above flight vests that I've seen most commonly for western air forces include floatation vests and/or survival vests, and this reflects two things I think:
1: relatively high investment per pilot, compared to other air forces (including China, but also until recently, Russia) -- that means they're able to give their pilots a lot of the additional goodies that are probably not "essential" to their roles like survival vests or floatation vests. OTOH, more essential equipment such as G suits (which are obviously essential for air combat), tends to be relatively standard equipment for pilots even for poorer air forces
2: western air forces generally operate over international waters and territory abroad more frequently than the air forces of say, China or Russia, meaning floatation vests and vests with survival gear is a much more consistent need than say for China or Russia whose aircraft mostly operate in and around their own air space... although if you look at Russian pilots operating in Syria, their flight vests are a bit more complex than what many of the Russian pilots operating in their home country commonly fly with.

In the case of the Chinese, the most common standard equipment they have seems to be a relatively simple harness that can strap a few pouches onto them (possibly for rudimentary survival gear and an expandable floatation vest), and this is likely because of a combination of relatively low investment per pilot (until recently), meaning less important items like higher complexity flight vests are less important, especially when most Chinese pilots do not operate anywhere over water or foreign/hostile territory.

However, even pilots for aircraft as old as J-7s have had g suits, which we can see for the last few years, meaning the military clearly understand what the most important items are, and are willing to forgo more unnecessary equipment until later.

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Now, with recent developments, such as more consistent Chinese flight operations over the ocean (especially by naval aviation fighters and the induction of J-15), as well as higher investment per pilot overall, the military can now afford to buy more complex life vests for their pilots, and also to fulfill their new missions that they'll perform more often:

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Finally, with regards to the "jackets" -- they are flight jackets, and while they look somewhat reminiscent of older "bomber jackets" from WWII, flight jackets themselves are not obsolete, but in the west, they are made of materials like nylon, and included the older G1, MA-1 and the more modern CWU-45 and CWU-36. Their colours are more consistent with the likes of their flight overalls, so when pilots wear them in the cockpit (and they do), they are harder to spot. And no, they generally do not remove flight jackets inside the plane.

In the Chinese miltiary's case, I don't think there's anything particularly wrong with wearing flight jackets that look the way they are, so long as they are functional. If anyone wants to laugh at them only because of how they look (and tbh they look fine to me), then I think that is their problem.
 
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superdog

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I don't see any floatation bouy on the Chinese flight suit.
And the jacket looks heavy and cubersome.
You don't see it because he hasn't put it on.

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Do we actually have any photos of PLAAF pilots in their jackets in flight? Not just sitting inside the cockpit with their jackets, but actually in a flying plane.
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Ultra

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I'm just going to make a post here, and I'd like it if @Deino could move this post and the last few OT ones into the thread I linked to in my last post.

So regarding the question about flight suits, there are certain elements we need to consider.

First there are the "flight overalls" themselves, which is essentially a one piece jumpsuit. Most western air forces use dark green, and the Chinese military is transitioning to dark green overalls as well, but they still have a good number of blue flight overalls... obviously, because western air forces and pilots are most often seen in action, green overalls have been psychologically conditioned to look "cooler" and more "modern". For instance, when we see a Chinese pilot and a Pakistani pilot shake hands both wearing only flight overalls, the Pakistani pilot looks much sharper, simply because he's wearing green.

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No, the blue jump suit just automatically makes the chinese fighter pilot looks like the JANITOR. :D

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We all know blue are often associated with laborers, workers, mechanics, etc etc.

Or maybe that's what the Chinese leadership want - after all it is COMMUNIST CHINA - where workers are the symbol of national ideology!

Here you go, the reason for it:
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Blitzo

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No, the blue jump suit just automatically makes the chinese fighter pilots looks like the JANITOR. :D

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We all know blue are often associated with laborers, workers, mechanics, etc etc.

Or maybe that's what the Chinese leadership want - after all it is COMMUNIST CHINA - where workers are the symbol of national ideology!

Here you go, the reason for it:
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First, you're wrong, if they really wanted to be ideological about the "colour" then they have just as much reason to go green as with blue -- in fact the classic depiction of the original revolutionary soldiers, and the classic PLA, was green:

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Second, your complete post is utter nonsense, illogical, and flamebait.
 

Ultra

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NO. The earl
First, you're wrong, if they really wanted to be ideological about the "colour" then they have just as much reason to go green as with blue -- in fact the classic depiction of the original revolutionary soldiers, and the classic PLA, was green:

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Second, your complete post is utter nonsense, illogical, and flamebait.


No.
The early PLA worn blue.

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(The long march)

That's why in all their celebratory dances they have always portray them with guess what, BLUE!

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Now, who's utter nonsense, illogical, and flamebait now? ;)
 
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Blitzo

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NO. The earl



No.
The early PLA worn blue.

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(The long march)

That's why in all their celebratory dances they have always portray them with guess what, BLUE!

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The uniform you're depicting is the old Red Army uniform which bears some similarities to variants of the KMT uniform, however the most famous and most distinctive PLA uniform is the Type 65 uniform, which as far as I know only came in green, and best known to be worn by Mao and Deng and of course the rest of the PLA from 1966 until it became replaced. I know that when I ask my parents and grandparents about the "classic" PLA look they see the olive green type 65, not the Red Army's long march era uniform:

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But this is a stupid conversation anyway -- are you seriously insisting that the Chinese air force makes its pilots wear blue flight overalls due to some stupid ideological connection back to the early civil war when they were still influenced by the National Revolutionary Army?
I can't believe you would really believe this.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

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Flight suits are a work and field uniform.
The main issue is, is it functional? If You want fancy looks your not going to see it in a pilot as he is in his or her machine.
Fighter Pilot flight suits are designed to be pulled on in a hurry for a scramble, be worn under a G suit which has to be tight,
Have to be made of a Fire resistant materials and have to be able to be worn by a downed pilot.
as such the colors tend to fall into a preset Sage green, Navy Blue, Emergency Orange, Desert Tan, Flat black and "Ghostbusters" Grey. Although there are possibilities for camouflage patterns being used it's not a pressing need as well chances are your coming home in the cockpit you left in. And it adds to cost.
Sage Green is a general all around pseudo camouflage that works Okay in most places.
Navy blue is more of a formal wear flight suit.
Emergency orange is well high visibility. best for nuggets who might punch out in flight.
Desert tan is well desert tan.
Flat Black or "Ghostbusters" grey are better for Police and agencies. Other colors can be made but are only for prestige duties where the Cameras are all over the place and your job is more about smiling and looking good then actual performance. So full Astronauts and Demonstration squadrons get custom tailored flight suits

Leather Jackets are worn as they are warm and leather is a material that is naturally fire and oil resistant. If you tack back to the pre1950's era aviation military bomber and flight crews sported leather everything.

The White Gloves at first glance are more a fashion piece for service uniforms except in floated pilot image I think they are actually a practical bit, I suspect that he is actually wearing Glove liners. Some glove systems are modular with a inner and outer layer. In this case I think he is wearing the inner glove. The material may be a woven Aluminized material meant to insulate well keeping fire risk low and with a tight fit to be worn under the outer glove. Similar gloves are worn by Astronauts.
 
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