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Khalij e Fars

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Parting shots by the US before they are forced to leave Iraq (Iraqi vote coming on that next week).

A big loss for Iran no doubt about that. Soleimani did not fear this and in fact craved this.

There is no good military response available that wouldn't risk a counterattack into Iran itself and thus set off a chain of events that will escalate beyond what either side wants. But that's a decision for the leadership. Now the US has set a precedent enabling generals to be assassinated during peace time.

US leaving Iraq + Iran developing nuclear weapons is the ONLY suitable way to honour Haj Qassem's martyrdom.

PS. Iran doesn't need HQ9B, it has Third Khordad, Khordad 15, Bavar 373 and is building hybrid Pantsir/Tor system too. Missiles are making good progress. Work on advanced centrifuges (IR-6/8) continues and needs another 3-6 years, but IR-2/4 generations have been mastered. The only thing Iran needs is a modern 5th gen interceptor jet - doubtful China would supply this, though. DF-21D would be useful too, but also doubtful.
 

Khalij e Fars

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I think China needs a strong Iran. Whilst Iran is strong they have the attention of Israel and KSA and thus, the US. The more time the US spends focusing on Iran the more time and space China has to continue to close the gap to the US.

American policies are driven by lobbies (military + foreign), this short-sightedness is great for China.
 

tidalwave

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Parting shots by the US before they are forced to leave Iraq (Iraqi vote coming on that next week).

A big loss for Iran no doubt about that. Soleimani did not fear this and in fact craved this.

There is no good military response available that wouldn't risk a counterattack into Iran itself and thus set off a chain of events that will escalate beyond what either side wants. But that's a decision for the leadership. Now the US has set a precedent enabling generals to be assassinated during peace time.

US leaving Iraq + Iran developing nuclear weapons is the ONLY suitable way to honour Haj Qassem's martyrdom.

PS. Iran doesn't need HQ9B, it has Third Khordad, Khordad 15, Bavar 373 and is building hybrid Pantsir/Tor system too. Missiles are making good progress. Work on advanced centrifuges (IR-6/8) continues and needs another 3-6 years, but IR-2/4 generations have been mastered. The only thing Iran needs is a modern 5th gen interceptor jet - doubtful China would supply this, though. DF-21D would be useful too, but also doubtful.
None of those mentioned above field antistealth radar and China has a number of them. HQ9B works with Chinese radar.

Stealth 31 is primarily for export should be available to iran.

Actually antisatellite weapon and DF21D are the game changers.
 

Khalij e Fars

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None of those mentioned above field antistealth radar and China has a number of them. HQ9B works with Chinese radar.

Stealth 31 is primarily for export should be available to iran.

Actually antisatellite weapon is the game changer.
There is no real 'anti-stealth radar' only different radar bands. Iran already has a range of these from Russia, e.g. Nebo-M and Nezonans. Bavar 373 is beyond HQ9 and Iran is working on something on s-400 level now.

The problem with J-31 is 1) lack of reliability due to no proven track record and 2) not clear China would export this to Iran.

If Iran falls this will be a disaster for China, already every other major country in the region is a US puppet state (KSA/UAE/Israel/Turkey/Egypt).

I don't think ASAT weapons are the top priority to deter a US attack.
 

ougoah

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VHF and UHF radars are inappropriately named anti-stealth. It makes it seem like they are able to ward off stealth aircraft... alone. The destroyed sample in Syria made all sorts of fanboys lose their minds because they either don't understand that a radar alone is not comprehensive air defence or they like to believe these radars are totally incapable of detecting stealth aircraft at long ranges.

The important thing to understand is that even if comprehensive anti-stealth air defence exists in Russia or China, it will still be at a disadvantage because of initiative and other glaringly obvious things including attrition. You cannot win a defensive fight by blocking punches because sooner or later, those punches eventually land and if you're not hitting back, you will lose eventually. The only real way Iran can fight a war against the US is by using offensive weapons. It will need to take out all bases in the vicinity and strike at carriers and it will need to do it as soon as a war starts otherwise all those tomahawks and ballistic missiles will knock out every bit of Iranian manufacturing and stockpile within days. Air defence is a bit of a joke with people assuming it's some sort of force field. It is not and is barely capable of point defence for very important targets. Even then it's only a matter of time before the SEAD and strikers get their primary targets.

China barely has enough J-20s for PLAAF. AShBM may be interesting to experiment with but donating or selling some to Iran is still ineffective without the entire range of supporting assets like the WZ-8 drone. If China gives comprehensive assistance like it is fighting against US carriers, then it has agency in the act and basically declared war on the US. This is not going to happen.
 

Brumby

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The plot thickens ......

Inside the plot by Iran’s Soleimani to attack U.S. forces in Iraq

In mid-October, Iranian Major-General Qassem Soleimani met with his Iraqi Shi’ite militia allies at a villa on the banks of the Tigris River, looking across at the U.S. embassy complex in Baghdad.

The Revolutionary Guards commander instructed his top ally in Iraq, Abu Mahdi al-Muhandis, and other powerful militia leaders to step up attacks on U.S. targets in the country using sophisticated new weapons provided by Iran, two militia commanders and two security sources briefed on the gathering told Reuters.

The strategy session, which has not been previously reported, came as mass protests against Iran’s growing influence in Iraq were gaining momentum, putting the Islamic Republic in an unwelcome spotlight. Soleimani’s plans to attack U.S. forces aimed to provoke a military response that would redirect that rising anger toward the United States, according to the sources briefed on the gathering, Iraqi Shi’ite politicians and government officials close to Iraqi Prime Minister Adel Abdul Mahdi.

Soleimani’s efforts ended up provoking the U.S. attack on Friday that killed him and Muhandis, marking a major escalation of tensions between the United States and Iran. The two men died in air strikes on their convoy at a Baghdad airport as they headed to the capital, dealing a major blow to the Islamic Republic and the Iraqi paramilitary groups it supports.

Interviews with the Iraqi security sources and Shi’ite militia commanders offer a rare glimpse of how Soleimani operated in Iraq, which he once told a Reuters reporter he knew like the back of his hand.

Two weeks before the October meeting, Soleimani ordered Iranian Revolutionary Guards to move more sophisticated weapons - such as Katyusha rockets and shoulder-fired missiles that could bring down helicopters - to Iraq through two border crossings, the militia commanders and Iraqi security sources told Reuters.

At the Baghdad villa, Soleimani told the assembled commanders to form a new militia group of low-profile paramilitaries - unknown to the United States - who could carry out rocket attacks on Americans housed at Iraqi military bases. He ordered Kataib Hezbollah - a force founded by Muhandis and trained in Iran - to direct the new plan, said the militia sources briefed on the meetings.

Soleimani told them such a group “would be difficult to detect by the Americans,” one of the militia sources told Reuters.

Before the attacks, the U.S. intelligence community had reason to believe that Soleimani was involved in “late stage” planning to strike Americans in multiple countries, including Iraq, Syria and Lebanon, U.S. officials told Reuters Friday on condition of anonymity. One senior U.S. official said Soleimani had supplied advanced weaponry to Kataib Hezbollah.

White House national security adviser Robert O’Brien told reporters on Friday that Soleimani had just come from Damascus, “where he was planning attacks on American soldiers, airmen, Marines, sailors and against our diplomats.”

An official at the headquarters of Iran’s Revolutionary Guards declined to comment. A spokesperson for the Iranian foreign ministry was not available for comment.

PICKING U.S. TARGETS WITH DRONES

The United States has grown increasingly concerned about Iran’s influence over the ruling elite in Iraq, which has been beset for months by protesters who accuse the government of enriching itself and serving the interests of foreign powers, especially Iran, as Iraqis languish in poverty without jobs or basic services.

Soleimani, leader of the Revolutionary Guards’ Quds Force, was instrumental in expanding Iran’s military influence in the Middle East as the operative who handles clandestine operations outside Iran. The 62-year-old general was regarded as the second-most powerful figure in Iran after Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.

Muhandis, a former Iraqi lawmaker, oversaw Iraq’s Popular Mobilization Forces (PMF), an umbrella grouping of paramilitary forces mostly consisting of Iran-backed Shi’ite militias that was formally integrated into Iraq’s armed forces.

Muhandis, like Soleimani, had long been on the radar of the United States, which had declared Muhandis a terrorist. In 2007, a Kuwaiti court sentenced him to death in absentia for his involvement in the 1983 U.S. and French embassy bombings in Kuwait.

Soleimani picked Kataib Hezbollah to lead the attacks on U.S. forces in the region because it had the capability to use drones to scout targets for Katyusha rocket attacks, one of the militia commanders told Reuters. Among the weapons that Soleimani’s forces supplied to its Iraqi militia allies last fall was a drone Iran had developed that could elude radar systems, the militia commanders said.

Kataib Hezbollah used the drones to gather aerial footage of locations where U.S. troops were deployed, according to two Iraqi security officials who monitor the movements of militias.

On December 11, a senior U.S. military official said attacks by Iranian-backed groups on bases hosting U.S. forces in Iraq were increasing and becoming more sophisticated, pushing all sides closer to an uncontrollable escalation.

His warning came two days after four Katyusha rockets struck a base near Baghdad international airport, wounding five members of Iraq’s elite Counter-Terrorism Service. No group claimed responsibility for the attack but a U.S. military official said intelligence and forensic analyses of the rockets and launchers pointed to Iranian-backed Shi’ite Muslim militia groups, notably Kataib Hezbollah and Asaib Ahl al-Haq.

On Dec. 27 more than 30 rockets were fired at an Iraqi military base near the northern Iraq city of Kirkuk. The attack killed a U.S. civilian contractor and wounded four American and two Iraq servicemen.

Washington accused Kataib Hezbollah of carrying out the attack, an allegation it denied. The United States then launched air strikes two days later against the militia, killing at least 25 militia fighters and wounding 55.

The attacks sparked two days of violent protests by supporters of Iranian-backed Iraqi paramilitary groups who stormed the U.S. Embassy’s perimeter and hurled rocks, prompting Washington to dispatch extra troops to the region and threaten reprisals against Tehran.

On Thursday – the day before the attack that killed Soleimani - U.S. Defense Secretary Mark Esper warned that the United States might have to take preemptive action to protect American lives from expected attacks by Iran-backed militias.

“The game has changed,” he said.


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Appix

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I think China needs a strong Iran. Whilst Iran is strong they have the attention of Israel and KSA and thus, the US. The more time the US spends focusing on Iran the more time and space China has to continue to close the gap to the US.

American policies are driven by lobbies (military + foreign), this short-sightedness is great for China.

Yeah, I agree. Iran is crucial for the future and hopefully fall of American hegemony. Plays a very big role in the Middle East with a very small budget. I'm 29 years old. I hope to die as one that has witnessed the fall of American Empire - Hegemony.
 
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TerraN_EmpirE

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This didn’t happen in a vacuum.
December 27 Rocket attack on US Troops.
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The US responds. Any rational person would expect a retaliation for a attack on troops.
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Iranian backed Militias Attack US embassy. Technically an Act of War. No nation would let that stand without some form of response.
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US strikes at Iranian General Qasem Soleimani but not just him everyone is so focused on him It also killed the leader of one of the Militias who attacked the embassy
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Some want to call this Murder. Murder is killing without reason. When the PMF launched rockets on US troops It provoked a response. When the US Embassy was attacked it declared war. Soleimani was linked to the deaths of Hundreds of American, NATO and Iraqi soldiers by the EFP IEDs that Iran supplied to any number of militia and groups across the region. this was long and coming.
 
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