Russian Su-57 Aircraft Thread (PAK-FA and IAF FGFA)

manqiangrexue said:

Brah, you actually do need to be an engineer or designer to figure that out, not any engineer or designer, one with access to classified information too. There's no "manual" for J-20 or PAK FA available; the closest to that would be that Sukhoi claims that it has a good degree of stealth though I don't recall them ever comparing to J-20. Why are people here attacking the PAK FA design and better yet, why is this a discussion of J-20 vs PAK FA? It's against the rules and highly unlikely to yield any fruit.

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Yes, but the bottom line one can compare the advancement of the two different stealth fighter program (or wannabe) and how much further it come along as compare to the other.

Equation said:

Yes, but the bottom line one can compare the advancement of the two different stealth fighter program (or wannabe) and how much further it come along as compare to the other.

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No, the bottom line is that we can't compare because 1. we don't know how they compare in all areas/systems in terms of performance, sophistication, etc..., and 2. it's against the rules.

Equation said:

Show me the technical manual where it says that the T-50 is a true 5th generation fighter that has a superior stealth tech than the J-20. NO? I thought so. Don't need to be an engineer or designer to figure that out.

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what authority do have? pretty much none, you are simply trolling the pakfa threat, combat history says the flight envelope, the training and tactics is what matters, pretty much without manuals your statement is trolling ought to be ignored and i should not waste time any more, in sterile discussions

manqiangrexue said:

No, the bottom line is that we can't compare because 1. we don't know how they compare in all areas/systems in terms of performance, sophistication, etc..., and 2. it's against the rules.

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b787 said:

what authority do have? pretty much none, you are simply trolling the pakfa threat, combat history says the flight envelope, the training and tactics is what matters, pretty much without manuals your statement is trolling ought to be ignored and i should not waste time any more, in sterile discussions

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What combat history does the T-50 has I don't know it has even reach LRIP much less in service already? Every jet fighter builder has their training and tactics and manuals. I don't know why you keep bringing up something that's irrelevant to the original discussion and that is that the T-50 is NOT better than the J-20. Oh yeah because you are just 'trolling', well it takes one to know one.

manqiangrexue said:

No, the bottom line is that we can't compare because 1. we don't know how they compare in all areas/systems in terms of performance, sophistication, etc..., and 2. it's against the rules.

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But you can compare the two programs and its progress. Like I always said, it's ALL about the program!

Equation said:

But you can compare the two programs and its progress. Like I always said, it's ALL about the program!

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How can you compare the 2 programs when you don't know the final product? Why would you compare the programs at all? To show how far China had come? It's obvious how fast China has advanced and it’s insecure to feel the need to put down an ally to show others your progress. On top of that, it's against the rules and it's not what this forum is about.

Never forget that when the American-led western nations tried to suffocate Chinese weapon technology in its infancy with embargoes and bans, Russia was China's teacher (a harsh teacher with a heavy price tag but a crucial teacher nonetheless). The student who dishonors his teacher dishonors himself.

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