Russian Su-57 Aircraft Thread (PAK-FA and IAF FGFA)

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Ali Qizilbash

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Ali Qizilbash said:
@Deino Just wanted to ask what is SDV ;)

Now can you guys stop this discussion. i am tired of reading it. Give it a break guys.
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Deino said:
Sorry, ... only a small typo ! I meant SDF.

However should we stop ? It's probably the first time since pages that this "discussion tread" gets a true discussion and not only a "Russian-media hyped news post collection" !

But You are correct ... I leave it.
Deino
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Ali Qizilbash said:
@Air Force Brat There is an old saying Brat..... Jagay huay ko nahi jaga saktay.... Translation.... You cant wake up a person who is already awake....

In the end after reading all the zero sum discussions, which by the way reached no conclusion, it was a waste of time.

I also come here to get enlightened BTW :)
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Air Force Brat said:
Heh! Heh! some are able to "set aside" their feelings and their prejudice, but it is helpful to understand your own bias, to be honest, bias may well be based on actual experience. When it comes to women, auto


Thank you Ali for clarifying that, and pardon me for misunderstanding, a reminder to myself and others that as we are an international forum, we may not always "get" what our brother is trying to say. Once again thank you for your patience Bub.

Thankfully we have friends who give us good advice!
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In the end read 1350 also. Enjoy again.
 
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Russian Aerospace Forces to Start Receiving Sukhoi T-50 Fighters in 2017

CHAUDA RANGE (Russia) (Sputnik) — The Russian Aerospace Forces will receive first units of the Sukhoi T-50 (PAK FA) fifth-generation fighter aircraft in 2017, Col. Gen. Viktor Bondarev, the Russian Aerospace Forces commander, said Saturday.

"There are five [T-50 fighters] at the [Russian] Chkalov's State Flight Testing Center, they are being tested, and beginning in 2017 they will be arriving to our service," Bondarev told reporters.

The commander stressed that there were no delays and the development of the aircraft had been carried out ahead of the schedule.

"The aircraft is truly amazing by piloting, navigation and other characteristics, it detects other aircraft at a very large distance, it has no equal in this. We have much to be proud of, and we are delighted to receive such an aircraft," he added.

The T-50 was presented at the Crimea's eastern Chauda practive range earlier in the day.

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b787

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T-50 is ready for serial production

KLA preparing preliminary report on the production of the initial batch of the latest fifth-generation fighter T-50 for supply of air and space forces of Russia. According to "Izvestia", June 20, Komsomolsk-on-Amur, would rise into the air eighth car series, almost fully meets the requirements of the military's combat capabilities to the fifth-generation fighter.
- Unlike previous aircraft eighth board fully equipped with equipment and systems prescribed in the specifications to create a promising aviation complex tactical - he said "Izvestia" a source close to the KLA. - It is with the advent of the fighters can say that the T-50 as a combat unit has found a real person and is ready for mass production in favor of videoconferencing.
According to the source, currently in the shops of Komsomolsk-on-Amur aviation plant (KnAAZ) in various stages of readiness are four T-50. The machine under the number 9 will join the flight test complex in September. The next two, 10th and 11th, are on the stocks: in the first docked fuselage center section from the second collected. Until the end, both will take to the stage of flight tests. In the fall of the KLA is ready to sign a contract with the Ministry of Defence for the supply of the installation of fighter games.
Deliveries of machines, according to the commander of VKS Viktor Bondarev, due to begin in 2017.
- Mounting the party - is no less than 12 cars, that is, one squadron, - says head of the Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies (CAST), Ruslan Pukhov. - The number does not include fighter jets, test phase is now taking place. That is, in 2017 in the interests of videoconferencing will be built and delivered a completely new, meet the requirements of technical specifications fighting machines, who will pass the stage of military trials, after which it will be possible to talk about the expansion of purchases.
However, as the expert said, glad that the T-50 will be a massive fighter, it is not worth it. PAK FA is positioned as the main rival to the US F-22 Raptor. The cost of the program creating a Raptor is estimated at $ 74 billion per aircraft cost -.. US $ 146 million bought 187 of these aircraft, and then shut down the program in general. Our T-50 program and its development of much cheaper, but the Deputy Minister of Defence for Armaments Yuri Borisov has said that the military can buy a smaller number of fifth generation fighter aircraft than planned in the state program of armaments to 2020. Military contracts is 12 pieces and after their commissioning will determine how many aircraft of this type will be able to afford.
- Everything new is very expensive, and it is necessary to understand that the first machines will be very far from the common notion that with the advent of videoconferencing will have some sverhvozmozhnosti - says Pukhov. - The process of fine-tuning the aircraft even after adopting take years. Suffice it to recall that between the prototype of the Su-27 - T-10, appeared in 1977 - and the final product has been so many changes in design and on-board fighter equipment that only the last modification - Su-35S, adopting two years ago - It can be considered final. A similar fate seems to be waiting and T-50.

Although, if only because of the fifth-generation engines, known today as the "Type 30", or the engines of the second stage, in the development stage. Series T-50 will go into service with the motors 117C, the same, which are on the Su-35. Though they provide the necessary total thrust sufficient to achieve supersonic cruising speed, but does not meet the requirements of the fifth generation of the ratio of weight and traction as well as fuel consumption. Technical complexity of the debugging engine requires a very long bench and flight tests, which will affect the overall timing of the development of the T-50. According to various estimates, the power plants of the second stage of the Russian fighters T-50 will receive only the years 2025-2027. Actually, only then we can say that the T-50 became a true fifth-generation aircraft.

- I think that today it is necessary to go ahead of the curve, not only by developing the T-50 as part of FGFA program (export name of the PAK FA - Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft) with our strategic partner in the field of military-technical cooperation - India, but also offering its Algeria and Vietnam, - said Pukhov. - Both countries are independent of the military-technical policy, and have their own funds to buy modern weapons. Through an alliance with them, you can "cheapen" the creation of the T-50, making it a massive fighter.


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Air Force Brat

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So, just as we have been predicting, there will be 12 test and evaluation aircraft provided to the Russian Air Force to populate a test and eval squadron, the last report led us to believe that the Five initial flight test prototypes would be presented to the Air Force?? This article acknowledges the developmental hurdles that lie ahead in order to reach the full capabilities of a fifth generation fighter, the author siting thrust to weight ratio's, and fuel efficiencies that they hope to realize with the 2nd engine in the 2025 to 2027 time frame.

and it also states that the 8th flying prototype will have a full complement of military equipment to begin testing of a production equivalent aircraft.
 
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