PAF F-16 Avionics, Weapon System & MLU Package notified to Congress

SABRE · Jun 30, 2006

PAF F-16, Avionics, Weapon System & MLU Package notified to Congress

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Date: 28 June 2006 Transmittal No. 06-34

Pakistan – Weapons for F-16C/D Block 50/52 Aircraft

On 28 June 2006, the Defense Security Cooperation Agency notified Congress of a possible Foreign Military Sale to Pakistan of Weapons for the F-16C/D Block 50/52 Aircraft as well as associated equipment and services. The total value, if all options are exercised, could be as high as $650 million.

The Government of Pakistan has requested a possible sale of:

Major Defense Equipment (MDE);

> 500 AIM-120C5 Advanced Medium Range Air-to-Air Missiles (AMRAAM)

> 12 AMRAAM training missiles

> 240 LAU-129/A Launchers

> 200 AIM-9M-8/9 SIDEWINDER missiles

> 500 Joint Direct Attack Munition (JDAM) Guidance Kits: GBU-31/38 Guided Bomb Unit (GBU) kits; 1,600 Enhanced-GBU-12/24 GBUs

> 800 MK-82 500 pound General Purpose (GP) and MK-84 2,000 pound GP bombs; and

>700 BLU-109 2,000 pound with FMU-143 Fuze.

Associated support equipment, software development/integration, modification kits, capability to employ a wide variety of munitions, spares and repair parts, flight test instrumentation, publications and technical documentation, CONUS-personnel training and training equipment, U.S. Government and contractor technical and logistics personnel services, and other related requirements to ensure full program supportability will also be provided. The estimated cost is $650 million.
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Date: 28 June 2006 Transmittal No. 06-09

Pakistan – F-16C/D Block 50/52 Aircraft

On 28 June 2005, the Defense Security Cooperation Agency notified Congress of a possible Foreign Military Sale to Pakistan of 36 F-16C/D Block 50/52 Aircraft as well as associated equipment and services. The total value, if all options are exercised, could be as high as $3 billion.

The Government of Pakistan has requested a possible sale of:

Major Defense Equipment (MDE)

>36 F-16C/D Block 50/52 aircraft with either the F100-PW-229 or F110-GE-129 Increased Performance Engines (IPEs) and APG-68(V)9 radars

>7 spare F100-PW-229 IPE or F110-GE-129 IPE engines

>7 spare APG-68(V)9 radar sets

>36 Joint Helmet Mounted Cueing Systems

>36 AN/ARC-238 SINCGARS radios with HAVE QUICK I/II

>36 Conformal Fuel Tanks (pairs)

>36 Link-16 Multifunctional Information Distribution System-Low Volume Terminals

>36 Global Positioning Systems (GPS) and Embedded GPS/Inertial Navigation Systems

>36 APX-113 Advanced Identification Friend or Foe Systems

>36 Advanced Integrated Defensive Electronic Warfare Suites without Digital Radio

>Frequency Memory (DRFM) or AN/ALQ-184 Electronic Counter Measures pod without DRFM or AN/ALQ-131 Electronic Counter Measures pod without DRFM or AN/ALQ-187 Advanced Self-Protection Integrated Suites without DRFM; or AN/ALQ-178 Self-Protection Electronic Warfare Suites without DRFM and
1 Unit Level Trainer

Associated support equipment, software development/integration, modification kits, capability to employ a wide variety of munitions, spares and repair parts, flight test instrumentation, publications and technical documentation, CONUS-personnel training and training equipment,

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Date: 28 June 2006 Transmittal No. 06-10

Pakistan – F-16A/B Mid-Life Update Modification Kits

On 28 June 2006, the Defense Security Cooperation Agency notified Congress of a possible Foreign Military Sale to Pakistan of 60 F-16A/B Mid-Life Update Modification kits as well as associated equipment and services. The total value, if all options are exercised, could be as high as $1.3 billion.
The Government of Pakistan has requested a possible sale of 60 F-16A/B Mid-Life Update (MLU) modification and Falcon Star Structural Service Life Enhancement kits consisting of:

>APG-68(V)9 with Synthetic Aperture Radar or APG-66(V)2 radar;

>Joint Helmet Mounted Cueing Systems;

>AN/APX-113 Advanced Identification Friend or Foe Systems;

>AN/ALE-47 Advanced Countermeasures Dispenser Systems;

>Have Quick I/II Radios;

>Link-16 Multifunctional Information Distribution System-Low Volume Terminals;

>SNIPER (formerly known as AN/AAQ-33 PANTERA) targeting pod capability;

>Reconnaissance pod capability;

>Advanced Air Combat Maneuvering Instrumentation Units;

>MDE included in the MLU modification and structural upgrade kits
21 ALQ-131 Block II Electronic Countermeasures Pods without the Digital Radio Frequency Memory (DRFM) or ALQ-184 Electronic Countermeasures Pods without DRFM;

>60 ALQ-213 Electronic Warfare Management Systems;

>1 Unit Level Trainer; and

>10 APG-68(V)9 spare radar sets.

Also included are radars, modems, receivers, installation, avionics, spare and repair parts, support equipment, CONUS-personnel training and training equipment, technical assistance, publications and technical documentation, system drawings, U.S. Government and contractor engineering, and other related logistics elements necessary for full program support. The estimated cost is $1.3 billion.
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Date: 28 June 2006 Transmittal No. 06-11

Pakistan – F-16 Engine Modifications and Falcon UP/STAR Structural Upgrades

On 28 June 2006, the Defense Security Cooperation Agency notified Congress of a possible Foreign Military Sale to Pakistan of Engine Modifications and Falcon UP/STAR Structural Upgrades as well as associated equipment and services. The total value, if all options are exercised, could be as high as $151 million.

The Government of Pakistan has requested a possible sale for modification/overhaul of 14 F100-PW-220E engines, 14 Falcon UP/STAR F-16 structural upgrade kits, de-modification and preparation of 26 aircraft, support equipment, software development/integration, modification kits, spares and repair parts, flight test instrumentation, publications and technical documentation, personnel training and training equipment, U.S. Government and contractor technical and logistics personnel services, and other related requirements to support the program. The estimated cost is $151 million.

The AIM-120C-5 with range of 110km to 140km is perhaps the biggest pull by Pakistan in this deal. If cleared, it would be the most advance BVRAAM in the region.

Also not to forget the JDAMs.

No AIM-9X though.

tphuang · Jul 1, 2006

Even Taiwan got AIM-120C-5, I don't think it's much of a surprise that Pakistan got it too. Frankly, I'm not sure that earlier models are currently in production. And really, it's range is not 110 km to 140 km. We don't know exactly what it is under different profiles. Only the maker knows.

Also for the new F-16, I think the total value is 3 billion only if Pakistan exercises the 18 F-16 option.

Sea Dog · Jul 1, 2006

tphuang said:
Even Taiwan got AIM-120C-5, I don't think it's much of a surprise that Pakistan got it too. Frankly, I'm not sure that earlier models are currently in production. And really, it's range is not 110 km to 140 km. We don't know exactly what it is under different profiles. Only the maker knows.

Also for the new F-16, I think the total value is 3 billion only if Pakistan exercises the 18 F-16 option.

Actually the manufacturer lists it's range as greater than 105Km. So that pretty much puts it in that range. I've heard that it's nominal range is actually closer to 120 Km unclassified.

kursed · Jul 1, 2006

tphuang said:
Also for the new F-16, I think the total value is 3 billion only if Pakistan exercises the 18 F-16 option.

On 28 June 2005, the Defense Security Cooperation Agency notified Congress of a possible Foreign Military Sale to Pakistan of 36 F-16C/D Block 50/52 Aircraft as well as associated equipment and services. The total value, if all options are exercised, could be as high as $3 billion.

Does anyone here have any ideas about NEZ of AIM-120C-5?

Indianfighter · Jul 1, 2006

Sea Dog said:
Actually the manufacturer lists it's range as greater than 105Km. So that pretty much puts it in that range. I've heard that it's nominal range is actually closer to 120 Km unclassified.

According to websites on R-77, the manufacturers of A2A missiles list the maximum range against non-manouevering targets only. This range is further reduced in case of manouevering targets and depends on whether the target is head-on or is being chased.
The range of the missile also depends upon the speed of the launch platform, at the instant of the launch.

tphuang · Jul 1, 2006

Sea Dog said:
Actually the manufacturer lists it's range as greater than 105Km. So that pretty much puts it in that range. I've heard that it's nominal range is actually closer to 120 Km unclassified.

Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. The ranges given are useless unless you know what profile they are measured under and what planes they are measured against. Against a Mig-25, 105 km is very do-able. As kursed said, the NEZ against a 4th generation fighter is probably the best measure. I remember reading it as 50 km or something that ridiculous when a Chinese magazine interviewed the SD-10 developer a while back. Realistically, you probably don't need much more than that for wartime BVR combats.

Anyhow, this is a nice section on AIM-120D range by a poster named M21Sniper on another forum:
"The MAXIMUM RANGE listed is normally the maximum ballistic trajectory of the AAM(or AGM) in question in an arbitrary manufacturer or customer selected criteria based wholly on a 'optimal'(another word for impossible) engagement scenario.

For instance, the typical range quoted for the AIM-54C is 100+ nautical miles(claimed to be between 110 and 140nm in reality by various gossips).

That would most likely entail a F-14D flying at it's maximum operational altitude, firing it's Phoenix at maximum separation speed, at a non-manuevering high-supersonic bandit flying a reciprocal intercept course at a much lower altitude, say around 3000 feet or so.

In such an 'engagement' it's no stretch to visualize an AIM-120D fired from a Mach 1.8 Supercrusing raptor at 65k feet having a theoretical maximum ballistic range of 100 miles.

For a typical engagement the practical engagement range of most missiles is usually not much more than 60% of what's listed, and perhaps as low as 30% in a tail chase.

The 'range' of a SAM or AAM is one of the single most misleading statistics around, and in most cases is almost meaningless.

It looks like what they did with the "Slammer D" was to basically add about 25-30% more fuel section, and they probably have a hotter rocket in it too(which may actually hurt economy- ie, burn time though increasing net thrust). That should equate to about 25% more range, give or take. I would venture to guess that the AIM-120D is probably also a good bit faster than a typical AMRAAM.

In the real world, with a mach .9 release, the AIM-120D should be quite dangerous at 50+ nautical miles(basically double the typical max range of the AIM-120A), give or take.
At a mach 1.8 supercruise release from the altitudes an F-22 is going to routinely operate at, you can probably add about another 20-25% to that figure, so probably about 60-65 or so nautical miles.

NOTHING AROUND can see a F-22 from 60-65 nautical miles away, so in reality, the AIM-120D might as well be a death ray."

maglomanic · Jul 1, 2006

tphuang said:
Even Taiwan got AIM-120C-5, I don't think it's much of a surprise that Pakistan got it too. Frankly, I'm not sure that earlier models are currently in production. And really, it's range is not 110 km to 140 km. We don't know exactly what it is under different profiles. Only the maker knows.

Also for the new F-16, I think the total value is 3 billion only if Pakistan exercises the 18 F-16 option.

It is ceratainly a major surprise for me. We are the same nation that was under embargo for F-16 A/Bs. AIM-120 had been denied on the pretext that it would disturb balance in South Asia in past. Even AIM-120 B would have been welcome in past. Trust me not many were expecting C-5.

Indianfighter · Jul 2, 2006

'F16 weapons to have no bearing on India's military advantage'
By PTI
Published: July 2, 2006

The US Defence Department has assured Congress that the weapons systems requested by Pakistan for F-16 jets would not reduce India's quantitative or qualitative military advantage as the capability already exists in the region. Notifying the Congress about the kind of weapons Pakistan has requested for the jets, it said "Purchase of these weapons systems would not significantly reduce India's quantitative or qualitative military advantage. "Release of the weapons systems will neither affect the regional balance of power nor introduce a new technology as this level of capability or higher already exists in other countries in the region", the Pentagon said. The Bush administration has approved the sale of 18 new F-16 fighter jets with an option of offering 18 more to Pakistan. According to the Department of Defence's notification Pakistan had sought major defence equipment including: 500 AIM-120C, 5 Advanced Medium Range Air-to-Air Missiles (AMRAAM); 12 AMRAAM training missiles; 200 AIM-9M-8/9 SIDEWINDER missiles;500 Joint Direct Attack Munition (JDAM) Guidance Kits: GBU-31/38 Guided Bomb Unit (GBU) kits; 1,600 Enhanced-GBU-12/24 GBUs/. MORE "Given its geo-strategic location and partnership in the Global War on Terrorism Pakistan is a vital ally of the US, as reflected in the June 2004 designation of Pakistan as a Major Non-North Atlantic Treaty Organization Ally. "This proposed sale will contribute to the foreign policy and national security of the United States by helping an ally meet its legitimate defense requirements. These weapon systems will be used for close air support in ongoing operations contributing to the global war on terrorism,"{ The primary use of these weapons would be against India only. AMRAAMs, Sidewinders and JSOWs are irrelevant to combat terrorists} the Pentagon has maintained. "Consistent with US Conventional arms transfer policy and arms control initiatives, this potential sale will allow the Pakistani Air Force to modernize its aging fighter and weapons inventory, thereby enabling Pakistan to support both its own air defence needs and coalition operations.

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crazyinsane105 · Jul 2, 2006

Indianfighter said:
"Purchase of these weapons systems would not significantly reduce India's quantitative or qualitative military advantage. "Release of the weapons systems will neither affect the regional balance of power nor introduce a new technology as this level of capability or higher already exists in other countries in the region",

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The article is clearly mistaken. The playing field is currently heavily tilted towards India. When Pakistan receives these weapons, the playing field between both Pakistan and India's air forces will be more balanced.

eecsmaster · Jul 2, 2006

what do you exactly expect? It's from IDRW. You should have seen their KJ-200 crash article. Revolution in Indian Military Affairs my ass.

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