Only " Tibet Water to Xinjiang Project" can save China from severe economic&social unrest

taxiya

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Thank you for these additional details.

I don't think "red flag" can only be done 50 years from now though. The South-North Water project took 50 years because China was not capable of carrying it out earlier. It's different now. I don't think it will happen fast, but I don't think it will take another 50 years either.

Desert reclamation is happening even now, and China is deploying a variety of technologies in pursuit of that goal. Some will inevitably fail, but others may yield promising results. Maybe it's not as grand as what "red flag" is promising, but bit by bit, the Gobi desert is turning into a grassland.
The capability was one reason, financial and technical, but the environmental concern and research was another reason that made that 50 years. Removing the limitation of the first reason, it may not take 50 years to decide, but a long time is still needed make sure that we don't make a big mistake as we did to 三门峡水利工程. While 三门峡水利工程 was amended by 小浪底水利枢纽, the "red flag" if done is many times bigger, so a mistake there will be many times bigger.

I support project like this, but the bigger it is, the higher risk of mistake, the more dangerous that risk will lead.
 

tidalwave

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Thing will be changed in a hurry!
As the current trade war between China and US intensified and if ever China getting into severe economic and social upheaval then it needs a name changer.
Just like during the Great Depression, the New Deal revived US, similarly, a big project is needed in China if that's the case.

Project like this will bring about 20 million to 30million people to get started.

This will stabilize the country.

No time to wait for 50 years, that's under assumption of normal economic situation. This is critical time,buddy
 

taxiya

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Thing will be changed in a hurry!
As the current trade war between China and US intensified and if ever China getting into severe economic and social upheaval then it needs a name changer.
Just like during the Great Depression, the New Deal revived US, similarly, a big project is needed in China if that's the case.

Project like this will bring about 20 million to 30million people to get started.

This will stabilize the country.

No time to wait for 50 years, that's under assumption of normal economic situation. This is critical time,buddy
How are you going to feed that 30 million people for decades to complete the project? Draw 30 million pies every day for decades?

And who on earth would do such huge project without careful investigation (so far it is only less than two years by academics). Are you going to build your house on a ground without checking if there is a huge sink-hole underneath?

And most importantly, why do you think China is in such desperately dangerous situation? Feeling insecure, feeling no self-confidence?

You reminds me of the "red guard" in the 1970s. "人有多大胆,地有多大产". Check out this phrase.
 

tidalwave

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Among the gloomy confidence in China business, and lost of 25% in stock market and mostly Xi being ousted as he brought his daughter along to the recent Africa trip in case anything happened back in China.

Now it's the right time to kick off this grand project
 

Figaro

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Except China doesnt need to invade someone else's land to do this and lobby the world's sole superpower to become its mercenary to fight and bleed for it, so that China can hold on it.

[inb4 That Uyghur argument: Han people were in that land long before them - if anything, they were the invaders]
Exactly. The Han people have had claim to the Tarim Basin (i.e. Xinjiang) ever since the conquests of Han Wudi in 120 BCE. But of course, you won't be hearing of it in Western media or ETIM propaganda.
 
The project is called 红旗河 or "red flag river" (just a direct translation) and will include more than just the area of Taklamakan Desert. The river project would have multiple branches going to Xinjiang (Kashgar in the South and Turpan in the North), Inner Mongolia and Yellow River baisin.

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The main areas it would directly affect are:
  1. Taklamakan Desert (337,000 km2)
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    (48,000 km2)
  3. Creation of
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    green belt, basically most of Gansu and parts of Western Inner Mongolia (200km*1000km = 200,000km2 as stated by the experts behind the project). There's been talks of creating multiple large ecological corridors (wide tunnels and bridges for animals) to allow migration of animals between Tibet, Xinjiang, Altai region, Mongolia, and Siberia since the new new green belt would ecologically connect the regions and the new river would create a barrier.
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    (640,000 km2) this area won't be entirely creating green areas from the desert as farming already exists in most of this area but it would greatly increase yields and yield stability. Currently parts of this region suffers from occasional droughts.
  5. Inner Mongolia in the long run would have parts forested and other parts turned into grasslands/wetlands. This area could be more than 500,000 km2.
In just the Western regions of Xinjiang and Gansu the major greenification areas would amount to 585,000km2 (larger than Spain and slightly smaller than Ukraine, roughly the size of Madegascar). Lakes would form in the Tarim and Hami-Turpan basins. In addition 640,000km2 of the Loess Plateau water supply would be increased. Inner Mongolia would have a new water supply. The indirect effect would be the increased rain fall of the entire Western and Northern frontier region of China area totalling more than 2 million km2. Downstream areas towards the East would benefit as well as smaller basins in western and northern regions.

The culmination of these branches essentially completes the Three North Shelter Forest Program which is projected to be complete by 2050.
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Global warming might accelerate desertification in northern China, said a recent Chinese research. With a growing trend of evapotranspiration in this region, it is estimated that sandy land will increase at a rate of 27 km² per decade under global warming between 2040 and 2059.

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China launches new space-breeding research center
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A new space breeding research center has been unveiled in northwest China, with missions including applying space technology to cultivate quality tree seedlings for the country's well-known Three-North Shelter Forest Program.

Located in Yangling National Agricultural Demonstration Zone in Shanxi Province, the research center has been established by the Space Biology, a technological consultancy with China Academy of Space Technology, in cooperation with a local plant cultivation company.

Space breeding combines astronautics with agricultural sciences. Seeds are sent into space in a spacecraft. In the space environment, seeds may undergo mutation and after returning to Earth, mutated seeds are selected and planted to breed new varieties with a higher quality and yield.

The center, which also serves as a space seed breeding lab, will protect the returned seeds, conduct further selection and test them on Earth.

The newly established center has been assigned by the National Forestry and Grassland Administration with an urgent task to send 20 tree species into space and cultivate quality tree seedlings for the Three-North Shelter Forest Program which places forest windbreaks in North, Northwest and Northeast China, said a source of the Yangling zone.

China has been working on space breeding technology for more than 30 years and has conducted more than 70 space breeding experiments, carrying more than 6,000 seeds into space, of which more than 230 have been successfully selected, including for crops, vegetables and flowers.
 

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China now needs a big project that can take people mindset away from trade war. Best thing is to do is dont think about it and focus on something else.
 

tidalwave

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This is a viable whereas Belt and Road project is not because alot of countries have pushed back against belt and road such as Malaysia cancelled all China project and also Pakistan wants changes.


Too many varaliables China cannot control it's own destiny.

Tibet Water to xin-jiang is something China can control.
 
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