Norway to buy new rifles

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
The Army of Norway just announced it is buying the New HK 416 5.56mm carbine. the Heckler and koch built rifle based on the G36 gas system a M16 body has been under use by a small number of US Special forces and police units until now it has yet to be fully adopted by any nation.

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ahho

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if the HK416 is really what it is claimed to be at surviving in submerging it in mud sand or water and still combat capable like ak47, then it is a really good rifle to get. It would be like having precision of m-16 and reliability of AK
 

Kim Jong Il

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if the HK416 is really what it is claimed to be at surviving in submerging it in mud sand or water and still combat capable like ak47, then it is a really good rifle to get. It would be like having precision of m-16 and reliability of AK

I would perfer the Ak-47 because of the stoping power of the 7.62mm bulit, it is good at making an enemy cambatent fall down fast and it can blow the door off it hinges.
 

crazyinsane105

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I would prefer the AK-47 because of the stopping power of the 7.62mm built, it is good at making an enemy combatants fall down fast and it can blow the door off it hinges.

The AK-47 has a limited range and isn't the most accurate weapon either. NATO doctrine requires a weapon of longer range than an AK-47 and one that is much more accurate.
 

Scratch

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I've seen reports of NATO soldiers in A-stan complaining not to be able to return accurate fire at greater distances were they were taking rather accurate incommings from enemy Kalashnikov like weapons. Anyhow, being introduced in the Vietnam war, were it was pretty suitable for the then conditions of close in jungle fighting, the .223 caliber is now over 40 years old. AFAIK, engagement ranges have again improved since then making the caliber too small.
The 6.8mmSPC seems a nice solution here, offering superior performance while it can easily be adopted in current 5.56mm firearms with rather small modifications.

Anyway, a nice new concept I think.
 

crazyinsane105

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The 6.8mmSPC seems a nice solution here, offering superior performance while it can easily be adopted in current 5.56mm firearms with rather small modifications.

There won't be a switch to 6.8mm anytime soon, its going to cost way too much to replace all the US military rifles to 6.8mm standard. It's a good round though.
 

sumdud

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AK-47 isn't the only gun that shoots 7.62x39, and the Type 81 is pretty accurate. ;)

But back to topic.
The 5.56 use to be deadlier, but NATO refinement just put the power of tumbling under that of accuracy. And when troops use the carbine, the power gets even less.

But the 5.56's change was made due to cold weather testing, I am sure this would help.....somewhat......but the cold is going to numb the bullet pain....
Well, an any-time reliable gun is always better. (than a reliable when cleaned gun...)
 

The_Zergling

Junior Member
The 5.56 use to be deadlier, but NATO refinement just put the power of tumbling under that of accuracy. And when troops use the carbine, the power gets even less.

But the 5.56's change was made due to cold weather testing, I am sure this would help.....somewhat......but the cold is going to numb the bullet pain....
Well, an any-time reliable gun is always better. (than a reliable when cleaned gun...)

Wait, what did NATO do to the 5.56?
 

isthvan

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Wait, what did NATO do to the 5.56?

NATO selected Belgian SS109 round instead of US M193 round.The SS109 used a heavier bullet at a lower muzzle velocity for better long-range performance, specifically to meet a requirement that the bullet be able to penetrate through one side of a steel helmet at 600m. Old M193 was not so stable and has inferior penetration but it has increased wounding potential thanks to tumbling effect...
 

The_Zergling

Junior Member
NATO selected Belgian SS109 round instead of US M193 round.The SS109 used a heavier bullet at a lower muzzle velocity for better long-range performance, specifically to meet a requirement that the bullet be able to penetrate through one side of a steel helmet at 600m. Old M193 was not so stable and has inferior penetration but it has increased wounding potential thanks to tumbling effect...

By better long-range performance you mean penetration power and not actual range, right? Because it seems a heavier bullet would be counter-productive in that case.
 
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