North Korean Military.

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PrOeLiTeZ

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MrClean said:
Is it just me, or does it seem like the NKoreans may have just a little bit of help from the Chinese regarding their ballistic missile/Space vehicle program.

Regarding the (potential) conflict between North and South Korea, Seoul is within conventional cannon range from the border and beyond. Not to mention NKorea's overwhelming numerical adavantage regarding Tanks, AAA, Aircraft, men and missiles.

I mean, sure NKorea has no real leadership to speak of whether it be militarily or Governmentaly, and sure all of their nemerical advantage means nothing if they have no competent soldiers, pilots, seamen and women or officers to lead them. But their numerical advantage and supposed Nuclear capability has to mean something right?

Come on folks, let's be honest. NKorea's supposed detonation of a "Nuclear Device" didn't even go as planned, and from alot of talk at the time they said that they didn't even get the basic Fission Reaction right. It was basically a radiolocal bomb. I'm not trying to bash any country here, but as I said let's be honest.

Even if, somehow, NKorea were able to launch a coordinated military strike on the South, they would more than likely be beaten back by a more sophisticated, better trained, better equipped and more determined South Korean force who has been waiting for such an event ever since the supposed "Peace Treaty" that was never signed BTW. And would more than likely be backed by the U.S. and or NATO.

But then again this is all hypothetical, and is going a little :eek:ff

As I said I'm not trying to bash any country or start a flame war.
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its pretty stupid move by China's behalf to give another nation ballastic technology that one day could be used against them. No detail about DPRK training or equipment are known or much even exist due to their heavey lockdown away from the worlds eye. So saying that they will loose due to their lack in equipment, less determined and poor training is a false statement, having nuclear technology regardless if its mature or not is not to be taken lightly. Would you have a nuclear bomb sitting on your door step knowing that it could go off. Obviously not.
 
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As I said in my previous post what I was saying was hypothetical. If their numbers and quality of equipment is so unknown then are people like planeman able to do an almost full write up on their military equipment. It's not like he was just assuming. Even though NKorea is locked down and is almost completely shutoff from the outside world, they're military strength can be estimated, even if it's just an educated guess. I was just pointing out that almost all of their equipment is so outdated, and their military doctrine is so un-sophisticated that in any sort of real shooting war/conflict with the South that they would more than likely be beaten by the better trained, equipped and overall more modern Southern Korean force, who would (more than likely) be backed by the U.S. and or NATO.

I mean who's to say that their military doctrine has evolved in any way since the war. In which they basically just attacked in waves, whether they be men or tanks or both, and were mowed down by the superior American/NATO forces. And now SKorea is just as advanced militarily as most any western nations, and that was all I was trying to point out.

As I said before I'm not trying to bash any country, or start a flame war. Just stating the obvious.
 
Finn McCool

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MrClean said:
I mean who's to say that their military doctrine has evolved in any way since the war. In which they basically just attacked in waves, whether they be men or tanks or both, and were mowed down by the superior American/NATO forces. And now SKorea is just as advanced militarily as most any western nations, and that was all I was trying to point out.
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This is a common misconception. The North Koreans used human wave tactics more than the Chinese but neither used them as much as many Westerners believe. They more used lighter infantry to move overland and around the mreo heavily armed US forces and attack them often from multiple directions. Also, in the initial attack on South Korea, the DPRK forces were actually better armed than the ROK and US forces they were facing. They made use of armoured columns of T-34s more than human waves.

Also who's to say that they haven't changed their doctrine. No one in the public knows. Although I doubt they have changed much since the Soviet Union fell, because they haven't really gotten many new weapons, and also I don't think that North Korea is the sort of enviroment where talented officers reach the top (they never do in paranoid dictatorships).
 
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Finn McCool said:
This is a common misconception. The North Koreans used human wave tactics more than the Chinese but neither used them as much as many Westerners believe. They more used lighter infantry to move overland and around the mreo heavily armed US forces and attack them often from multiple directions. Also, in the initial attack on South Korea, the DPRK forces were actually better armed than the ROK and US forces they were facing. They made use of armoured columns of T-34s more than human waves.

Also who's to say that they haven't changed their doctrine. No one in the public knows. Although I doubt they have changed much since the Soviet Union fell, because they haven't really gotten many new weapons, and also I don't think that North Korea is the sort of enviroment where talented officers reach the top (they never do in paranoid dictatorships).
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Add in that air forces today are much more efficient at hunting and killing units on the ground compared to the Korean War era, and the advantages in intelligence and real time information gathering.
 
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Finn McCool said:
This is a common misconception. The North Koreans used human wave tactics more than the Chinese but neither used them as much as many Westerners believe. They more used lighter infantry to move overland and around the mreo heavily armed US forces and attack them often from multiple directions. Also, in the initial attack on South Korea, the DPRK forces were actually better armed than the ROK and US forces they were facing. They made use of armoured columns of T-34s more than human waves.

Also who's to say that they haven't changed their doctrine. No one in the public knows. Although I doubt they have changed much since the Soviet Union fell, because they haven't really gotten many new weapons, and also I don't think that North Korea is the sort of enviroment where talented officers reach the top (they never do in paranoid dictatorships).
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Some Western sources on North Korean doctrine are publicly available:

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(released under FOIA)

More recent stuff is restricted or above, needless to say.

Watching the news yesterday, with North Korea now saying that it will restart its nuclear weapons programme because the US has not taken it off the list of states that sponsor terrorism and because it hasn't yet provided economic aid, and well, North Korea is up to its old tricks (duh!:rolleyes:). Even if the current agreement ever gets completely finalized (all agreements with NK are really only tentative at best), NK will always find ways to impede, subvert, or otherwise take advantage of whatever agreements or concessions it can wring from others. The regime will never give up until either their ship sinks, or they bail out to safer sanctuary. The North Korean people would be left holding the bag, of course, and South Korea to pay the bills.
 
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Norfolk said:
Some Western sources on North Korean doctrine are publicly available:

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(released under FOIA)

More recent stuff is restricted or above, needless to say.

Watching the news yesterday, with North Korea now saying that it will restart its nuclear weapons programme because the US has not taken it off the list of states that sponsor terrorism and because it hasn't yet provided economic aid, and well, North Korea is up to its old tricks (duh!:rolleyes:). Even if the current agreement ever gets completely finalized (all agreements with NK are really only tentative at best), NK will always find ways to impede, subvert, or otherwise take advantage of whatever agreements or concessions it can wring from others. The regime will never give up until either their ship sinks, or they bail out to safer sanctuary. The North Korean people would be left holding the bag, of course, and South Korea to pay the bills.
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well not really DPRK held their end of the bargin but America didn't so really America dropped the ball on this one. You can't always expect to recieve your wants and not reply in return.
 
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Damingli85

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Just want to point out that a country with a horrible economy will usually be terrible with logistics, and a country that is terrible with logistics would be hard pressed to fight a long war.
 
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Damingli85 said:
Just want to point out that a country with a horrible economy will usually be terrible with logistics, and a country that is terrible with logistics would be hard pressed to fight a long war.
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Not to mention the fact that North Korea does not, as far as is publicly known, have nearly enough fuel reserves to sustain combat. I would guess that the have enough for about a week.
 
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Damingli85

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The North Korean artillery power is being overestimated by a lot of people, 10k pieces won't really flatten South Korea. I would even doubt that they can flatten Seoul. Not to mention right after they fire they will get counter-artillery fire and get that 10000 down to probably 0. I do not look highly upon the NKs, they are as Mao said...paper tigers.
 
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