North Korean Military.

bigstick61

bigstick61

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I was reading a book on armor currently in use, and it appears that the North Koreans in reserve units still utilize the T-34. They also utilize the T-54/55, T-62, T-64, PT-76, Type 59, IS-2, M-2002, PT-85, Type 62, and the Ch'onma Ho. I believe they have 250+ T-34s, a handful of IS-2s and T-64s, 500+ Type 59s, 1,600 T-54/55s, an unknown quantity of PT-85s, 560 PT-76s, 800+ T-62s, a small number of M-2002s, 50+ Type 62s, and an unknown number of Ch'onma Hos. They have at least 3,800 tanks, definitely more than that, as the quantities for some models are unknown, and a couple may have numerous examples in service. However, how well they are maintained, the competence, intelligence, and training of their crews and their overall quality, as well as the quality of leadership and also unit morale factor in how pwerful the DPRK armor force is. I think that in many areas such forces can be found lacking as is typical in such countries. The armor force is outdated, with its most advanced tanks having 1980s technology, but most being from the 1930s to 1960s time period. Its main virtue is probably its size and the discipline of the crews. However, as was seen during both Persian Gulf Wars, modern, large tank forces can only have limited effectiveness without quality crews.
 
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Pointblank

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bigstick61 said:
I was reading a book on armor currently in use, and it appears that the North Koreans in reserve units still utilize the T-34. They also utilize the T-54/55, T-62, T-64, PT-76, Type 59, IS-2, M-2002, PT-85, Type 62, and the Ch'onma Ho. I believe they have 250+ T-34s, a handful of IS-2s and T-64s, 500+ Type 59s, 1,600 T-54/55s, an unknown quantity of PT-85s, 560 PT-76s, 800+ T-62s, a small number of M-2002s, 50+ Type 62s, and an unknown number of Ch'onma Hos. They have at least 3,800 tanks, definitely more than that, as the quantities for some models are unknown, and a couple may have numerous examples in service. However, how well they are maintained, the competence, intelligence, and training of their crews and their overall quality, as well as the quality of leadership and also unit morale factor in how pwerful the DPRK armor force is. I think that in many areas such forces can be found lacking as is typical in such countries. The armor force is outdated, with its most advanced tanks having 1980s technology, but most being from the 1930s to 1960s time period. Its main virtue is probably its size and the discipline of the crews. However, as was seen during both Persian Gulf Wars, modern, large tank forces can only have limited effectiveness without quality crews.
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More like an outdated tank force with incompetent crews is a recipe for complete defeat from a qualitatively superior tank force crewed by competent crews, even with a numerically inferior force.
 
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Soviet General

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They have one hel of an arsenal, but sure the T-72 is god tank the T-54 and T-64 are outdated tanks even the T-72! Do they even have plans of thier own desing for a new PDRK MBT:(
 
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Pointblank

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I've been inside the T-72. It is not a well designed tank from the crew comfort standpoint. Western tanks are well designed from a crew comfort standpoint and that enhances the capability of the tank as the tank crew are more efficient and effective at their jobs. Pretty much all Russian tanks suffer from poor crew comfort, and this will negatively affect crew performance.
 
bigstick61

bigstick61

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The North Koreans do not have T-72s. Their most advanced Soviet tank is the T-64, and they only have a few of those. The most modern one available in quanities is the T-62. They have a couple of more recent tanks which supposedly are more modern, the M-2002 and the Ch'onma Ho. Both are veiled in secrecy, so not too much is known about them, although I doubt they are highly advanced. Some of their armor dates from World War II or earlier. The only advantage the North Koreans really have is size of force, but since their crews are generally of poor quality, and since political reliability tends to turn out poor leaders, their forces would likely not perform very well, even against a numerically inferior force. They would have to completely overwhelm their enemies with sheer numbers. I don't think they could do thhis on a broad front with their numbers, only locally, on a specific position.
 
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mpaduan79

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bigstick61 said:
The North Koreans do not have T-72s. Their most advanced Soviet tank is the T-64, and they only have a few of those. The most modern one available in quanities is the T-62. They have a couple of more recent tanks which supposedly are more modern, the M-2002 and the Ch'onma Ho. Both are veiled in secrecy, so not too much is known about them, although I doubt they are highly advanced. Some of their armor dates from World War II or earlier. The only advantage the North Koreans really have is size of force, but since their crews are generally of poor quality, and since political reliability tends to turn out poor leaders, their forces would likely not perform very well, even against a numerically inferior force. They would have to completely overwhelm their enemies with sheer numbers. I don't think they could do thhis on a broad front with their numbers, only locally, on a specific position.
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how can nkorea have t-64, so far i know that is the most advance soviet tank
that never been sold to other nation?for t-62 it is the worse of all nkorea tank arsenal t-54/55/59 peforme better in combat than t-62:coffee:
 
isthvan

isthvan

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mpaduan79 said:
how can nkorea have t-64, so far i know that is the most advance soviet tank
that never been sold to other nation?for t-62 it is the worse of all nkorea tank arsenal t-54/55/59 peforme better in combat than t-62:coffee:
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T-64 was never exported.

As for T-62 being inferior to 54/55/59 :rofl: This simple isn't true. I wouldn't judge its performance based on inferior performance of Libyan and Arab tankers... It is same deal as some people are judging T-72 performance based on performance of monkey models in the hands of incompetent crews.
It performed quite well in initial Egyptian operations in 1973 war and IDF was quick to put captured t-62 in service(Tiran-6).
It was first tank to introduce smoothbore gun,the first successful APFSDS ammunition and mechanism for automatic unloading of empty cartridges. In the right hands and with use of right tactics this old horse can still be useful on battle field.
 
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Colt .45

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I heard there might be a peace treaty between the U.S., North Korea and South Korea. What does that mean for the Military of North Korea or South Korea, would they be kept or would they be downsized. In my opinion I don't think there should be a peace treaty with North Korea because they can't be trusted. The North has called for Military talks with the U.S. to discuss peace on the Korean peninsula but they exclude South Korea in the talks. It seams like they just want the U.S. off there backs but still be at war with South Korea. The top U.S. negotiator Crisstifer Hill thinks there will be a peace treaty with North Korea but the North only wants a peace treaty with the U.S. and not South Korea. The North can't be trusted. Well I would like to go and say Hi to Crisstifer Hill.:nono:
 
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