North Korea Military News, Reports, Data, etc.

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    North Korea Wonsan air show 2015
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    other 3 Mig-15 with hard points for bombs connected to the fuselage, yes !! North Koreans have implemented this additional capacity on the majority of this old model aircraft.
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    English, this is a English Language Forum.
     
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    It seems that the North Koreans as well as carrying out the new color camouflage, have updating of the cockpit Mig-29
    in this frame extrapolated from the video, indicated with the arrow, there seems to be an LCD screen

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    from the minute 21:10 to 21:37
     
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    The most Advanced fighter class aircraft in the Korean People's army Air forces are the Su 25, Mig 29 and Mig 23.
    Of these three types The Mig 29 is the most capable on paper. however it's also the fewest. The KPAA suposedly received 35 units from Russia,But I have also seen numbers as low as 17 with 2 having crashed and it's likely due to lack of reliable spare parts and fuel access that atleast half of these are grounded used for spare parts or spare planes.
    It's highly likely that the North Koreans have done everything in there power to smuggle, reverse engineer and devise means of maintaining these fighters much like how the Iranians have there kept F14s flying. that may include installing GPS systems or terminals meant for other more civil aircraft. I also won't put it past the KPAA to show off mockups in non flyable aircraft to for propaganda, It's an old tactic to maintain dummies on air strips to make an adversary think you have more fighters then you have.
    due to their low numbers the Mig 29 seem to operate as a pride of place fighter with 4 operating as Quick reaction aircraft on standby.
    The more likely to be encountered advanced fighter of the KPAA is the Mig 23ML This is a swing wing Interceptor roughly equal to the F4 Phantom, Like the Phantom this is a third generation Aircraft. between 60-46 in KPAA inventory with maybe half still operational.
    The last is the SU25K ground attack aircraft about 36 including trainers were delivered. again about half may be flyable.

    After these are Mig 21 the backbone of the North korean airforce with estimates as high as 130 as low as 36 numbers in service also fluctuate. I lean to 36 operational as the KPAA got about that number from Kazakhstan in the early 90's and in 2013 a Shipment of Cuban "Sugar" on the Chong Chon Gang was inspected in Panama. The Brown Sugar had 2 Air defence missile batteries, 9 missiles for said batteries 2 Mig21Bis, and 15 Mig21 engines The Cargo was impounded crew eventually released the ship returned and since then renamed Tong Hun San
     
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    just to complete:
    In the early 1990s, North Korea started assembling the MiG-29S-13 9.13 Fulcrum-C with the kits supplied by Russia in the Panghyon structure created to facilitate the flow of MiG spare parts, also produced here.
    probably at that time the plan was too ambitious for North Korea, but even these 3 Mig-29s certainly gave important information on the structure and components and how to assemble them.
    But since 1993, 25 years have passed and still fly, as prehistoric aircraft such as the Mig-15 and Mig-17 are still operating, indeed on these jets have implemented structural changes to install hard points for bombs; this indicates that North Korea now has good aeronautical structures / workshops available to provide for both the revision and the design of the modifications and their implementation.
    Many aircraft and spare parts have been bought from the surplus of the countries that were part of the former USSR, from China, from the various countries that have or have already provided the aircraft of Soviet origin, but also the result of reverse engineering that may have also led to the reconstruction of aircraft to bring them to zero hours.
    Returning to the Mig-29, just for the reasons mentioned above, the number available to North Korea is indicated from 35 to 45
     
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    correct:
    only 3 Mig-29 kits have not been shown as completed, but information on the structure and components and how to assemble them is definitely available.
     
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    Different sources different numbers some more conservative others more liberal, It's believed that the North Koreans had hoped for a full fleet of 40+ Mig 29 but never actually got it.
    in 1999 the ROK stated that the North Koreans had 17 with one crashed for 16 and had the parts for 10 more units.
    1 unit is know to be on display, It's believed that the north Koreans took the Radar out of a Mig to create a poor man's Awacs so that may be the unit in question.

    Whatever the number 2 units were confirmed in operation in 2003 when they intercepted a RC135.
    Public Satellite imagery has shown as many as 12 in the open.
    reasons normally given for the disparities are first that the Russians wanted hard currency for their weapons the North Koreans wanted to Barter, second the North Koreans had technical issues assembling there Migs, Third there issues of reliable fuel, Spare parts and finally concerns over potential defections to the South with the planes. all have limited the numbers of available units.
    As for accurate counts the North Koreans like to hide equipment, they do so by first use of Mockups and dummies to confuse observers, They are know to have constructed Underground Air Bases in which they can store such fighters out of prying satellites view, This allows them to show their aircraft when they want at propaganda displays where other simple tricks like having their jets do multiple flybys or recut videos can artificially inflate counts.
     
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    yes......not having irrefutable data, we all rely on hypotheses, often diminishing their abilities, and consequently falling very often into gross errors of assessment.
     
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    https://www.armytimes.com/news/your-army/2017/12/12/former-us-army-deserter-to-north-korea-dies/
     
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