North Korea: Are We kidding ourselves?

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What’s the threat? N. Korean rhetoric, reality
By Eric Talmadge - The Associated Press
Posted : Friday Jan 25, 2013 6:46:29 EST
TOKYO — According to its official statements, North Korea is ready to go to the brink. But how serious are Pyongyang’s threats?

This week, new U.N. sanctions punishing the North’s successful December rocket launch have elicited a furious response from Pyongyang: strong hints that a third nuclear test is coming, along with bigger and better long-range missiles; “all-out action” against its “sworn enemy,” the United States; and on Friday, a threat of “strong physical countermeasures” against South Korea if Seoul participates in the sanctions.

“Sanctions mean war,” said a statement carried by North Korea’s official Korean Central News Agency.

In the face of international condemnation, North Korea can usually be counted on for such flights of rhetorical pique. In recent years it threatened to turn South Korea into a “sea of fire” and to wage a “sacred war” against its enemies.

If the past is any indication, its threats of war are overblown. But the chances it will conduct another nuclear test are high. And it is gaining ground in its missile program, experts say, though still a long way from seriously threatening the U.S. mainland.

“It’s not the first time they’ve made a similar threat of war,” said Ryoo Kihl-jae, a professor at the University of North Korean Studies in Seoul. “What’s more serious than the probability of an attack on South Korea is that of a nuclear test. I see very slim chances of North Korea following through with its threat of war.”

Although North Korea’s leadership is undeniably concerned that it might be attacked or bullied by outside powers, the tough talk is mainly an attempt to bolster its bargaining position in diplomatic negotiations.

The impoverished North is in need of international aid and is eager to sign a treaty bringing a formal end to the Korean War, which ended nearly 60 years ago in a truce. It uses its weapons program as a wedge in the ever-repeating diplomatic dance with the U.S.-led international community, and there is no reason to believe this time is different.

“I see this as their way of testing the water,” said Narushige Michishita, a North Korea expert at Tokyo’s Graduate Institute of Policy Studies. “North Korea will probably never be able to defeat the United States in a war. But they are getting stronger.”

In 2006 and 2009, North Korea carried out underground nuclear tests just after receiving U.N. sanctions for launching long-range rockets. The latest barrage of rhetoric comes after the U.N. Security Council voted unanimously on Tuesday to condemn the successful Dec. 12 rocket launch and further expand sanctions against Kim Jong Un’s regime. Pyongyang replied with its threat of more launches and possibly another nuclear test.

“Settling accounts with the U.S. needs to be done with force, not with words,” said Thursday’s statement from the National Defense Commission, which promised “a new phase of the anti-U.S. struggle that has lasted century after century.”

North Korea has long insisted that its rocket launches were peaceful attempts to put a satellite in orbit, while the U.S. and United Nations consider them illegal tests of missile technology. This week, however, Pyongyang, made it clear that one goal of its rocket program is to attack the United States.

But its ability to do so is limited, say experts who believe North Korea still has technological kinks to work out in its nuclear devices. It is thought to be unable to make a nuclear weapon small enough to be mounted on a missile, so it needs to test that technology as well.

Another big issue is money.

In his first speech to his people, the young leader, Kim, who is still believed to be in his 20s, said North Korea will continue its “military first” policy. But for a nation that chronically struggles to feed its own people, resources are limited. And because of trade restrictions, acquiring parts for its weapons from abroad is increasingly difficult.

Despite December’s successful launch, North Korea’s ability to get missiles off the launch pad is less than reliable. In April, a similar rocket splintered into pieces over the Yellow Sea. Days later, North Korea showed off what appeared to be an intercontinental ballistic missile, but many experts who reviewed footage of the rockets said they were clearly fakes.

The North does, however, appear to be making some progress.

Japan’s Defense Ministry, in an assessment of the December launch presented to the prime minister on Friday, said the North’s best designs probably give its missiles a range of more than 10,000 kilometers (6,200 miles), according to Japan’s Kyodo news service. That would be enough to reach the West Coast of the United States. A South Korean defense official said Friday that Seoul agrees with that assessment.

The Japanese report warned that Pyongyang’s missile technology has “entered a new stage” that is of serious concern to the international community. Japan is particularly wary of North Korea’s capabilities because all of its islands are well within striking distance. Japan also hosts about 50,000 U.S. troops, whose bases would be a tempting target if Pyongyang were to try to make good on its threats.

“There has been a tendency to underestimate what North Korea can do in the space and missile field, and possibly with technology in general,” U.S. nuclear expert Jeffrey Lewis wrote recently on his Arms Control Wonk blog. He noted that debris recovered from the wreckage of the December rocket’s first stage indicates that most of it was made in North Korea.

North Korea claims the right to build nuclear weapons as a defense against the United States, which stations more than 28,000 troops in South Korea.

It is believed to have enough weapons-grade plutonium for about four to eight bombs, according to nuclear scientist Siegfried Hecker, who visited North Korea’s nuclear complex in 2010. And in 2009, Pyongyang also declared that it would begin enriching uranium, giving it a second way to make atomic weapons.

U.S. Defense Secretary Leon Panetta said Thursday that he has seen no outward sign that North Korea will follow through soon on its plan to conduct a test but added that doesn’t mean preparations aren’t underway.

North Korea Issues Warning to the South
By EVAN RAMSTAD

SEOUL—After two days of issuing blistering statements against the U.S., North Korea on Friday took rhetorical aim at South Korea, saying that it would take "physical countermeasures" if its neighbor joined international sanctions over its recent rocket launch.

"Sanctions mean a war and a declaration of war against us," said a statement issued by a government office responsible for dealing with the South.

The statement blamed the South Korean government, which North Korea calls a "puppet group of traitors," for helping to draw up an extension of sanctions against North Korean firms and individuals at the United Nations Security Council on Tuesday.

A spokeswoman for South Korea's Unification Ministry, which is in charge of dealing with the North, said Seoul had no direct response to the North's latest statement.

"The government has made it clear that North Korea should stop making such threats and not engage in further provocations," the spokeswoman said.

North Korea often threatens the South with attack without following through with action.

On Wednesday and Thursday, North Korea responded to the Security Council decision by threatening to detonate another nuclear explosive, in what would be its third such experiment with a weapon of mass destruction.

Officials in neighboring countries and the U.S. urged Pyongyang not to follow through on the threat to engage in a nuclear test.

But diplomats and other observers have believed North Korea was embarking on the path toward such a detonation since last March, when, just two weeks after making a deal to receive humanitarian aid from the U.S., it announced plans to launch a rocket, in violation of international bans against it.

South Korean Defense Ministry officials earlier this week said they believe North Korea could detonate a nuclear explosive anytime at the remote site in the country's northeast where it made similar tests in 2006 and 2009.

U.S. Defense Secretary Leon Panetta said on Wednesday that he has seen no signs that a detonation is imminent, though he cautioned about reading too much into that.

"They have the capability, frankly, to conduct these tests in a way that make it very difficult to determine whether or not they are doing it," Mr. Panetta said, according to media reports.

The world learned about previous tests from seismic readings detected first in South Korea and Japan.
25 June 1950 The North invaded the South Since then The North has been at war with South Korea.

On 27 June 1950, it adopted Resolution 83, recommending that members of the United Nations provide assistance to the Republic of Korea "to repel the armed attack and to restore international peace and security to the area". Security Council Resolution 84, adopted on July 7, 1950, recommended that members providing military forces and other assistance to South Korea "make such forces and other assistance available to a unified command under the United States of America".

The United Nations Security Council Resolution 84 was adopted on July 7, 1950. Having determined that the invasion of the Republic of Korea by the forces from North Korea constituted a breach of the peace, the Council recommended that the members of the United Nations furnish such assistance to the Republic of Korea as may be necessary to repel the attack and restore peace and security to the area. The Council further recommended that all members providing military forces and other assistance to The Republic make these forces and assistance available to a unified command under the United States of America. The Council then requested that the United States designate the commander of such forces and authorized said commander to use the Flag of the United Nations at his discretion in the course of operations against North Korean forces. Finally, The Council requested that the United States provide it with reports as appropriate on the course of action taken by the unified command.
The resolution passed with the votes from the United Kingdom, the Republic of China (Taiwan), Cuba, Ecuador, France, Norway and the United States. The Kingdom of Egypt, India and the Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia abstained. The Soviet Union, a veto-wielding power, was absent, having been boycotting proceedings since January, in protest that the Republic of China and not the People's Republic of China held a permanent seat on the council. The Council President at that time was Norwegian Arne Sunde.
Both the last Taken From Wikipedia

For Over Sixty years North Korea and the United States of America have maintained a State of Cold war broken only by small brush fire flair ups Often costing lives. such as the incident on 18 August 1976.
three Generations of North Korean Dictaters Kim Il-sung, Kim Jong-il and now Kim Jong-un Have stood against American Presidents Truman, Ike, Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush Sr., Clinton, Bush Jr, And now Barack Hussein Obama, and yet some people beileve this.
http://www.endthekoreanwar.org said:
Korean Peace Treaty Campaign FAQ
1) Why do we need a peace treaty? Isn’t the Korean War over?

The Korean War is not over. No peace treaty was ever signed.
The fighting ended in 1953, but only an armistice was signed – a temporary measure to end the conflict. Fighting can resume at any time.

2) What’s the problem with leaving things the way they are?

The danger of even “accidental” war on the peninsula is high because of the number of troops, weapons and bases in close proximity. Nearly a million troops - South Korean, North Korean and U.S. soldiers, are arrayed on the two sides of the DMZ (Demilitarized Zone), with hi-tech weaponry on numerous bases. We came close to war during both the Bush and Clinton administrations, as U.S. preemptive strikes were threatened in 1994 and again in 2006 over the possibility of North Korea developing nuclear weapons. And although there have been recent decreases in the numbers of American troops stationed in South Korea, the U.S. is increasing the size and capabilities of bases like Camp Humphreys in Pyongtaek, south of Seoul. Furthermore, the U.S. and South Korea, along with Japan have recently announced stepped up joint military exercises to “maintain regional stability.”

Millions of Korean people have been separated from our families and homeland due to the national division. (10 million South Koreans – no less than 1/4 of the population - have separated family members in the north.) Fifty-years of division are long enough. It’s time to bring down the wall that divides us and reunite families.

3) Who benefits from perpetual division?

Perpetual military standoff serves to justify continued military build-up on both sides and a never-ending arms race. In 2006, the United States and South Korea agreed on a plan to change the role of U.S. Forces in Korea (USFK) from a defensive posture against North Korea towards a more flexible, mobile, and rapidly deployable force for the wider Asia-Pacific region. The United States, which is primarily concerned with containing the rising power of China, points to the military standoff with North Korea as justification for its continued presence on the Korean peninsula. This, in turn, serves to bolster the military hawks in North Korea, which continues to develop its nuclear capabilities. Defense contractors also stand to gain from this arrangement. South Korea is the world’s fifth largest importer of U.S. arms, and South Korean conglomerates, such as Hyundai and Samsung, rank among the world’s top weapons manufacturers. As we plunge deeper into a global economic crisis, we can’t afford to continue to waste productive resources into war-making. We need to challenge the power of war-making institutions and call on our governments to redirect resources to create jobs and housing, and provide education and healthcare, not to perpetuate an endless arms race.

4) Why try to achieve a peace treaty now?

The U.S. has been locked in a cold war mentality on the issue of North Korea since it came into existence – a mere 60 years ago. There were solid steps taken towards improving relations towards the end of the Clinton administration, with President Clinton meeting with North Korean Vice Marshal Jo Myong Rok and Secretary of State Madeleine Albright traveling to North Korea to meet with President Kim Jong Il in 2000 – but with the Bush administration, relations again re-froze. By 2002, President Bush had labeled North Korea as part of an “axis of evil.” Only this past year have there been signs of a new thaw – as Washington has been holding direct discussions with North Korea (after years of publicly agreeing only to multi-lateral talks) and President Bush finally removed North Korea from the list of states sponsoring terrorism. With the historic election of President Obama, who backs diplomacy and direct negotiations, the opportunity to achieve real peace, and to develop a new U.S.-Korea relationship – is within reach.

5) What steps are needed to achieve a peace treaty?

Steps towards reconciliation have already started to happen between North and South Korea since the historic summit of 2000, when leaders of both countries met for the first time ever,and then again with the summit of 2007. While there have been some setbacks with the conservative Lee Myung Bak presidency, the overall trend towards reconciliation has been set.

For the U.S. and North Korea, we believe that U.S. should use aid and leverage to start to build a relationship of trust while ameliorating the severe humanitarian crisis that afflicts North Korea, then to work towards negotiations to draw up a peace treaty – that this time includes South Korea (which was not included in the original armistice agreement). On the U.S. side, in order to get a peace treaty signed, at least the “advice and consent” of the Senate would be needed, and then ratification by the President. But it will take public interest and effort to get this issue on the presidential priority list, and to begin to dismantle and challenge the past 60 years of “cold war” and “red scare” mentality that has been embedded in U.S. mainstream media.

6) But there’s a lot about North Korea that I don’t know about and that I’m concerned about – especially around human rights and its potential nuclear capability. Shouldn’t that be dealt with first?

Our position is that in order to be able to know more about North Korea and to be able to effect any changes there, we have to have a condition of peace with North Korea. Then, many things are possible.

North Korea is most concerned about its own security and sovereignty, and for many years, has been pressing for normalized relations with the U.S. The US has resisted, listing a series of issues that stand in the way, from nuclear inspections to human rights. North Korea has maintained its right to defend itself, including the development of nuclear weapons because of the US’s persistent hostility. Without moves towards peace and normalization, there is no persuasive rationale for North Korea to reduce its arsenal or consider other social changes. More and more experts, scholars, former US officials and grassroots groups have been calling for a peace treaty, citing the lack of one as a leading obstacle to progress in dealing with North Korea.

Now Some my claim the Us is at fault for keeping the War going after all the artical I just posted is very harsh on the Us and seemed too say just about that.
But, I ask you. The US has more or less little real care for North Korea so Why?
What Real value does the US have in keeping the North at the 38th? and who is it the US who keeps the threat up when North Korea often emptys out it's Ammo bunkers with artillery barrages targeted too the south?
INCHEON, South Korea -- South Korea's troops were on high alert Wednesday as their government exchanged threats with rival North Korea following a frightening military skirmish that ratcheted tensions on the peninsula to new extremes.
President Barack Obama reaffirmed Washington's pledges to protect ally Seoul after the North shelled a South Korean island near their disputed border, killing at least two marines and wounding civilians in what U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon called one of the "gravest incidents" since the end of the Korean War.
In a conversation with South Korean President Lee Myung-bak, Obama said the United States stands "shoulder to shoulder" with Seoul. The White House said the presidents agreed to hold combined military exercises and enhanced training in the days ahead.
South Korea vowed massive retaliation should North Korea attack again, and said Wednesday it would strengthen military forces in the disputed western waters near the island of Yeonpyeong and halt aid to the communist North. The North warned of more military strikes if the South encroaches on the maritime border by "even 0.001 millimeter."
South Korea sent two ships carrying 2,000 boxes of relief supplies to the stricken island Wednesday, Coast guard official Kim Dong-jin said. He said that about 340 residents escaping the island were to arrive at the port city of Incheon aboard a Coast Guard ship around mid-afternoon.
Images released by the local government and obtained through YTN television showed people huddled in emergency shelters, children wrapped in blankets, rows of destroyed houses with collapsed walls, blown out windows and charred roofs. A man with a shovel walked through the rubble.
The skirmish began Tuesday when North Korea warned the South to halt military drills near their sea border, according to South Korean officials. When Seoul refused and began firing artillery into disputed waters -- but away from the North Korean shore -- the North retaliated by shelling Yeonpyeong, which houses South Korean military installations and a small civilian population.
Seoul responded by unleashing its own barrage from K-9 155mm self-propelled howitzers and scrambling fighter jets. Two South Korean marines were killed in the shelling that also injured 15 troops and three civilians. Officials in Seoul said there could be considerable North Korean casualties.
Shin Sung-hee, a fisherman, said he was mending his fishing net near a port on Yeonpyeong when he saw columns of black smoke and fire billowing from the hills.
"I couldn't think of anything. I just thought my wife would be in danger, so I rushed to my house," Shin said.
His wife, Lee Chun-ok, said that when she fled her partly collapsed house, she saw black smoke engulfing the town and fires erupting from nearby hills; a woman was crying on a bridge. Her husband ran over and told her they had to escape, so they ran to a port and managed to get on a ferry with several hundred other people.
The U.S. government called the North's barrages an outrageous, unprovoked attack, but sought to avoid any escalation and did not reposition any of its 29,000 troops stationed in the South.
South Korean Defense Minister Kim Tae-young told lawmakers Wednesday that the military will send reinforcements to five islands near the disputed sea border, but provided no details. "South Korea maintains military readiness to deter North Korea's additional provocations," he said.
South Korea said Wednesday that, despite the artillery exchange the day before, it would continue another previously scheduled military drill set for a different part of the Yellow Sea, about 70 miles (110 kilometers) south of the disputed waters near Yeonpyeong.
The Joint Chiefs of Staff said the military drill by the South Korean army, navy, air force and marines would continue until Nov. 30 as previously scheduled.
Separately, South Korea said it was suspending promised aid shipments of cement and medicine worth 580 million won ($506,000), Unification Ministry spokesman Chun Hae-sung said. The government also ordered eight civic groups to stop delivering aid worth 2.7 billion won ($2.3 million) to North Korea.
The top U.S. military officer in South Korea, Gen. Walter Sharp, condemned North Korea's "unprovoked" artillery attack in a statement Wednesday and called on the North to abide by the armistice that ended the 1950-53 Korean War.
"These actions are threatening the peace and stability of the entire region," said Sharp, who commands U.S. forces in South Korea as well as the U.S.-led UN Command.
The UN Command has called on North Korea to engage with it in high-level military talks to "de-escalate the situation," the statement said.
The confrontation lasted about an hour and left the uneasiest of calms, with each side threatening further bombardments. In Seoul, South Korea's capital of more than 10 million people, citizens went about their business Wednesday with shops, offices and financial markets open as usual, but with the previous day's skirmish on their minds.
"We are concerned that a war might break out," said Oh Duk-man, who was walking in downtown Seoul.
In Young-joo, another pedestrian, called for a strong response. "Our government has to react very strongly against North Korea after they invaded us in such a daring way," she said.
North Korea's apparent progress in its nuclear weapons program and its preparations for handing power to a new generation have plunged relations on the heavily militarized peninsula to new lows in recent weeks.
The attacks focused global attention on the tiny island and sent stock prices down worldwide.
The South Korean president, who convened an emergency security meeting shortly after the initial bombardment, said an "indiscriminate attack on civilians can never be tolerated."
"Enormous retaliation should be made to the extent that (North Korea) cannot make provocations again," Lee said.
North Korea does not recognize the western maritime border drawn unilaterally by the U.N. at the close of the conflict, and the Koreas have fought three bloody skirmishes there in recent years. But this clash follows months in which tensions have steadily risen to their worst levels since the late 1980s, when a confessed agent for North Korea bombed a South Korean jetliner, killing all 115 people aboard.
The government in Pyongyang has sought to consolidate power at home ahead of a leadership transition and hopes to gain leverage abroad before re-entering international talks aimed at ending its nuclear weapons programs.
In March, North Korea was blamed for launching a torpedo that sank the South Korean warship Cheonan while on routine patrol, killing 46 sailors. South Korea called it the worst military attack on the country since the war. Pyongyang denied responsibility. South Korea did not retaliate for the sinking of the Cheonan.
Six weeks ago, North Korean leader Kim Jong Il anointed his youngest son, Kim Jong Un, heir apparent. This week, Pyongyang claimed it has a new uranium enrichment facility, raising concerns about its pursuit of atomic weapons.
Yeonpyeong lies a mere seven miles from -- and within sight of -- the North Korean mainland. Famous for its crabbing industry, it is home to about 1,700 civilians as well as South Korean troops. There are about 30 other small islands nearby.


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Now in my Opinion the State of North Korea Cannot maintain it's status Que without the War. Given the self inflected isolationism of the North and it's Leaders demigod like status. Thus they need the Vilian of there self told Fairy tail. if they suddenly opened there Boarders wide the North Korean State would begin too Question the need for the divine Leader ship of it's Communist Kings. and It's Draconian security and
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the result of suddenly loosing there long hated foe would act like a massive pressure release as years of mistreatment and ideological status would no longer be ignored. and the questions raised

"why must we fear Traitors When there is no War? Why So much Security then the threat is gone?"
"If we are at peace with our neighbors Why a massive army?"
"If china is capitalist and the Chinese live in Houses and are making money, why must I live in this hut not even making enough too put rice on the table?"
that is of course my opinion.
 

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Well that's the story with everyone who wants to keep power. It's very cultish in nature. The Japanese Empire, Mao's China, Tibet, Sun Myung Moon... Look at Thailand today. They just jailed a newspaper editor for ten years for negative reporting on the Thai royal family. Before anyone thinks this is an Asian thing... Westerners do it too. You've seen reactions in here to Chinese posters who live in Western countries for daring to not be critcial of China to their liking. Personally this is the only time when someone would question someone like me being an American because all the other times they don't consider me an American just because I'm Chinese. They teach their kids to tease it because I can remember when I was kid, that's what "American" kids did was label you as a foreigner and not American even though my grandfather was a US Army WWII vet and my father was stationed in South Korea during the height of the Cold War. The reason why they don't see Asians in general as loyal is because Asians have their foreign cultures intact. How does an Asian gain trust from these people? You have to abandon the past, your culture, your heritage, and your famliy. You have to think like them aka follow them without question. It's what a cult does. Why? Because in order to control you, there can be nothing else but the world as they define it. Religion no matter big or small is not a cult by definition? They do the exact same things. They don't like foreign influences because they don't control it therefore they don't control the people. Then on the other end they have to have antagonists for their people to fear in order to keep them under their control. It's just like how China has grown faster than any country in history but those in power now have to find faults and threats because moreover they don't want their own people seeing someone else is doing it better therefore won't try to change the system that serves the interests of those that control it now. Which is why India is promoted as a better alternative because Indian's follows the system of the established power. India has been rewarded because they follow. But just like a cult, the truth is hidden to keep in line with the world they control.
 
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