News on China's scientific and technological development.

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  1. Shaolian
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    I'm not sure about North America, but here in Malaysia, we have practically the same frequencies as China. So, usually I don't bother waiting for the "Official" Malaysian version of a smartphone. I'll just buy the Chinese version online and "flash" whatever OS that I fancy, whether official or custom later on.
     
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    Many mobile phones have the same radio part, but set to work in different frequency bands for specific market. Hardware cost is apparently not the consideration since it can be mitigated by simplified supply and manufacture savings. It is more of a commercial decision (setting different prices). Therefor, we see international version and domestic version of the same phone working on different bands while being identical in hardware.

    Mobile phone ROM have two parts, the radio rom and the OS rom. One must flash the radio rom of the desired market for the radio bands to work properly. Switching OS rom is only to remove the Chinese specific apps and introduce market specific set of apps and services (such as G services).
     
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    "They" were the original thieves. Stealing ideas from all over the world from architecture to religion to mathematics to science to gunpowder, paper, ship building, land, jewels, gold, resources, people ........

    But it's not stealing when they do it no. And it isn't to be mentioned either! But God forbid when some tasteless Chinese uncle with money copy the external design of a Land Rover to use in a totally different machine!

    Honestly Chinese innovation today is really getting up there. The image problem China is facing is because there is also a lot of low end products and 1:1 copying of external styling for a huge range of commercial products. These examples are repeatedly shown in the west often with the same examples making its way 100 times around the internet. They are blind to the real innovation, the stuff they don't really see or have the technical background to notice and understand.

    As China continues to develop, it will continue to create more useful individuals. At the moment it still has a lot of catching up with the proportion of productive individuals but nominally those numbers already easily exceed smaller countries like Japan and Germany who are innovation leaders. Give it another 20 or 30 years and the proportions will be competitive while the nominal number will be greater than the rest of the world combined. The other factor to get right is how your economic and political structures cultivate these individuals. China's political structure has proven in many ways to be an issue with plenty of good minds leaving for the west not only to pursue greater riches but riches they can keep and a political system that allows them more individual freedom and expression. While this isn't true for everyone, I've noticed it is more often the case than not when talking to Chinese friends.
     
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    Here is the answer to anyone, everyone who plans on buying a Chinese or global phones and wonder if it will work on their provider's network.

    https://www.kimovil.com/en/

    You can also download the Kimovil app from the Google Play Store.

    https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.kimovil.app&hl=en_US

    I would also suggest finding out what your provider's 4G bands are.

    You need to research because a lot of phones may not the bands you have. In the US, AT&T and Verizon uses 700Mhz bands (Band 12, 17, 28) and there may also be sharing with T-Mobile (Band 4, 1700/2100 AWS). A lot of the low and middle end Chinese phones may not have the US bands because that's not their market and they cut corners on things they don't use. You might be safer on the higher end models because they are often imported to the US by online retailers. So a P30 Pro will likely have US bands over let's say a Nova 8.

    I do find that many phones support B4, so if you are hooked up to T-Mobile, that would be the safest network if you have imported phones.
     
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    In Late 2014 or early 2015 my brother bought online a Doogee smartphone for under $200 which included free postage through Ali Express. I think he must have flashed it as he is pretty good at doing those things.While the camera is pretty crap the phone has worked extremely well.

    In comparison a cousin had a i phone 7, that was purchased around the same time, which broke under a year. He was given a refurbished phone. A couple of months ago, just before the release of the iphone 11 he was experiencing continual problems with his iphone seven. They said it was going to cost him $740 to fix it. Alternatively, they would give him 940 towards a trade in for an Iphone 11 which he accepted.

    My 2nd brother bought a One Plus around about the same time as my first brother, and after carrying out a similar procedure, it's still working fine. Meanwhile, I have this 2yr old Samsung Note which is playing up and the telco company that sold me the phone wants $200 to take look at it. If the fault falls within the guarantee they will fix it and refund the $200. If the fault does not fall under guarantee then they keep the $200 if I decide not to fix it because of a prohibitive cost.
     
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    https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/the-great-british-tea-heist-9866709/

    Read this article about the British stealing Chinese tea secrets. Note the glowing way the writer describes the British thief, and the way the Chinese are portrayed: sly, cunning, and immoral.

    A Chinese proverb comes to mind: the thief that cries thief.
     
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    I live in NZ. A few yrs ago you translated a comment made by a mainlander passing through while on holiday.
    As others have mentioned, the trick is, to flash the phone if its a Chinese phone made for the domestic market. However, earlier than that, I was given a 2/3g Chinese made phone.I think it was called Songbird or something like that. I do not know if the retailer in China reset it for the NZ because it worked well straight out of the box.

    Anyway, I was hoping you may have an opinion on HMS Core. Is it still too early to think something might come from it?
     
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    Not only that but it was a NZder that took the fruit that has since renamed Kiwifruit from China.and later on there was a huge outcry when Chinese scientists pinched a apple cutting from a research station.

    The fruit was originally called Chinese Gooseberry, but the Americans did not want the Chinese name attached to it, so it was renamed Kiwifruit.
     
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    Too early. With any software, even launch day is too early, so nevermind what isn't even launched yet.
     
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