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taxiya

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By Region.

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shows very much that most were isolated and did not affect one another.
I read the table. The table just shows the time span and the geographical spreading of each culture. Many of them exist in the same time without great geographical barrier between them. How can this table prove they did not interact or they are isolated? By your definition, 横浜 and 東京 would be isolated from each other?

Just give you an perspective. We all know the Dragon worship among Chinese. The dragon figure showed up in both Yangshao culture in Henan and Hongshan culture in southern NE China (Manchuria and southern Inner-Mongolia). These two cultures were more than 1000 km apart. Put the perspective to Japan, that is the span of 本州/ほんしゅう Honshū. Now you tell us, were those ancient Chinese cultures isolated or not.

You really need to do your research before you say something.
 
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delft

Brigadier
Not to get between you and Janiz, but there's a direct relationship between world conquest and scientific achievements. History shows Europe's "Age of Enlightenment" led to unparalleled economic, social, philosophic, artistic, technological, and scientific revolutions that empowered European great powers to dominate the world. You could argue the good and harm they enabled/caused, but without the European scientific revolution, there wouldn't have been global conquest, by Europeans anyway.
The Europeans learned their war craft fighting each other. Then they started conquering the World from about 1500. A century later the "Scientific Revolution" became slowly noticeble and from about 1850 started contributing significantly to economic developments. So the earlier growth from about 1500 came from the wealth collected when plundering the World.
 

Janiz

Senior Member
So the earlier growth from about 1500 came from the wealth collected when plundering the World.
Yeah, sure... If the knig becomes wealthy it means that Newton and Leibniz could work on their ideas which changed the world... Yeah, sure...

Even stupid idea of manufactures which evolved into fabrics came from Europe... And yet somebody writes that 'European wealth' came from 'plundering'. It came from work, trade and scientific advantage, not because of king Inca's gold...
 

Janiz

Senior Member
Scientific advances doesn't come without resources.
I think that Newton or Leibniz (who came from some small republic which is now a part of Germany) weren't sponsored by the gold coming from entire world to Europe. Surely not to their homes. It's easy to tell that Europe is wealthy because of the money they 'robbed' - but those who robbed weren't sciencists and were rarely sponsored from those money. All 'resources' that they needed was paper and ink. Nothing more, nothing less. Not gold from India or Africa...

Wealthy people from Europe always valued men of science - that's the difference!

Not gold.
 

AssassinsMace

Lieutenant General
Wealthy people from Europe always valued men of science - that's the difference!

They valued how rich they could get from it even more no matter how they "obtained science." People of science in Europe have a history of being persecuted. And where did you get the mass production of paper for all those advancements to be allowed? Let's not forget long before Europe ventured out in the world, new ideas and inventions were arriving in Europe from foreign traders and merchants who obtained them from other parts of the world hence why they wanted to conquer the world because they saw all the riches out there.
 
I think that Newton or Leibniz (who came from some small republic which is now a part of Germany) weren't sponsored by the gold coming from entire world to Europe. Surely not to their homes. It's easy to tell that Europe is wealthy because of the money they 'robbed' - but those who robbed weren't sciencists and were rarely sponsored from those money. All 'resources' that they needed was paper and ink. Nothing more, nothing less. Not gold from India or Africa...

Wealthy people from Europe always valued men of science - that's the difference!

Not gold.

Resources don't have to be gold, it can be food, building materials, everyday technologies, exotic luxuries, land, labor including slaves, etc. all of which when acquired cheaply enough either by force or through lopsided trade serves the acquiring side in lowering the cost of living, raising the standard of living, stimulating innovation and further exploration and conquest. That did happen when European countries chose to invade other countries primarily for acquiring their resources. This does not negate the scientific revolution, nor does the scientific revolution negate this.
 
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