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Miragedriver

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In a separate speech via Internet radio the New Defense minister announced that the Mirage III and Neshers would be expected to continue flying until 2016. However, in that speech no mention was made about finding a replacement. With more and more of the meticulusly kept Mirage III’s falling from the sky due to airfram fatige there are limited choses for a replacement

The only choices I foresee could be:

1) JAS-39 Gripen, but it has British Avionics/Radar, and they own an interest in Saab so that eliminates the JAS-39

2) The F-35 is completely unaffordable.

3) The SU-30 and Mig-29 was rejected because it’s Russian. However, atitudes are changing.

4) The F-18 was rejected because it has two engines. This a poor excuse since Spain puchased some additional F-18 from desert storage for around 10 million each (with extra engines to boot).

5) The F-16 was rejected because of runway debris (an unlikely story. The English were concerned that Argentina could have an American Aircraft with BVR AMRAAM).

6) The Rafale was rejected because there would be no technology transfer and it’s too expensive.

7) The J-10 could be an option with the insertion of Israeli avionics and radar.

8) The Spanish Mirage F-1’s were rejected because of the airframe fatigue.

9) The Jordanian Mirage F-1’s (that deal has been draged out way too long and is now DOA)

10) Which leaves us with the Mirage 2000, but nobody will sell them since they’re still useful.

The other option is to purchase some used Mig’s form Russia. Sir Lanka purchased Mig-27 from Ukrain for under 3 million each with an eight year (2500 hour) overhaul guarenty. See article
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I would like to get the opionion of Sino Defence members as to what interceptor aircraft would be most feasable and also maintainable. I have my thoughts, but I’ll save them for the repleys.
 
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siegecrossbow

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Re: New interceptors for the Argentine Air Force?

Judging from your reasoning the only choices are Russian and Chinese fighters. Since this forum is called sino-defence what plane do you think most people will recommend? :D

Why J-10 with Israelis avionics and radar?
 

Lion

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Re: New interceptors for the Argentine Air Force?

FC-1.. You can buy up to 100 of them and I bet ToT is no problem..

2billion for 100 pieces.. Not bad huh.
 

Red___Sword

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Re: New interceptors for the Argentine Air Force?

Judging from your reasoning the only choices are Russian and Chinese fighters. Since this forum is called sino-defence what plane do you think most people will recommend? :D

Why J-10 with Israelis avionics and radar?

In the contrary, if by the thread title "new interceptor" - I am not sure J-10 is up to the job. But by the comparison list, I guess the "interceptor" is a "job title" for Argentine AF, not a technical term.

Anyway, officially, there was no word that J-10 is out for export market yet.

Edit:

Yeah, I agree with Lion.
 

siegecrossbow

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Re: New interceptors for the Argentine Air Force?

In the contrary, if by the thread title "new interceptor" - I am not sure J-10 is up to the job. But by the comparison list, I guess the "interceptor" is a "job title" for Argentine AF, not a technical term.

Anyway, officially, there was no word that J-10 is out for export market yet.

Edit:

Yeah, I agree with Lion.

J-10 is well suited for the interception role. What are you talking about?
 

Mr T

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Re: New interceptors for the Argentine Air Force?

I would agree that Chinese and Russian planes would be the only option right now. But I'm not sure whether Argentina has the money to buy more than a handful anyway. It may be that Argentina will just have to rely on the A-4s and, to be fair, does Argentina even need modern new fighters? I mean, where's the threat from?
 

T-U-P

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Re: New interceptors for the Argentine Air Force?

I would agree that Chinese and Russian planes would be the only option right now. But I'm not sure whether Argentina has the money to buy more than a handful anyway. It may be that Argentina will just have to rely on the A-4s and, to be fair, does Argentina even need modern new fighters? I mean, where's the threat from?
Even if there is no threat currently, it doesn't mean a nation shouldn't keep a modern defence force. After all, buying equipments, getting those equipments delivered, and training on them takes a long long time. By the time a threat emerges, it would be too late if you are unprepared ahead of time.
 

Jeff Head

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Re: New interceptors for the Argentine Air Force?

I would agree that Chinese and Russian planes would be the only option right now. But I'm not sure whether Argentina has the money to buy more than a handful anyway. It may be that Argentina will just have to rely on the A-4s and, to be fair, does Argentina even need modern new fighters? I mean, where's the threat from?
A new squabble over the Falkland Islands (Malvinas) could occurr almost anytime. The Argentines have a lot of pride regarding that...despite their loss to the UK last time around. Particulary now that the UK is in a gap of no fixed wing carrier capability for several years.

In fact, in a joint communiqué issued by the Brazilian and Argentine governments in August 2010, "the President of the Federative Republic of Brazil reiterated the support of his country to the legitimate rights of Argentina in the sovereignty dispute regarding the Falkland Islands, South Georgia and South Sandwich Islands and the surrounding maritime areas". So that issue is still there and could be acted on at anytime. Hopefully not...but the Agrentines have not relinquished or given up their claims and the Brazillians support them in it.
 

i.e.

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Re: New interceptors for the Argentine Air Force?

J-10 also has a "runway debris" problem, given its chin intake.

FC-1 would be my choice,

can shoot AshMs,
can shoot BVRAAMs,
can dogfight.

pretty much can replace all fast jet combat types in Argentina's inventory and wouldn't break the bank.

awesome.
 

nosh

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Re: New interceptors for the Argentine Air Force?

J-10 also has a "runway debris" problem, given its chin intake.

FC-1 would be my choice,

can shoot AshMs,
can shoot BVRAAMs,
can dogfight.

pretty much can replace all fast jet combat types in Argentina's inventory and wouldn't break the bank.

awesome.

Argentina needs fighter to face the Eurofighters UK stationed in Falkland Islands. Its requirement is similar to Pakistan's to counter MMCA. FC-1 has no chance. An improved J-10 (with better engine) is possible.
 
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