JF-17/FC-1 Fighter Aircraft thread

[LonE_WolF]

No suprise I stated that a while back that CCS will get these units

This means that Kamra is done with these units and that they have now moved onto Block II pure and and sure

Let's hope they can really devise some serious combat school tactics for JF-17 and pioneer them towards Flankers and do excercise with PLAAF flankers

so this squad will be reinforced by more blk 1's?
or with blk 2?

 

[asif iqbal]

It's a combat school Squadron so probably won't need like 14-18 aircraft

Rest of block I are still at Kamra I guess in time they will be also transferred

Also Hudong website is stating the recent prototype in yellow is testing export related systems onboard certainly doesn't look like WS13 engine so this could be true!?

Well nothing to test for Block I so must be block II, but PAF is already tested Block II configuration so why another test unit at CAC? And it can't be block III

Could it be that a export has been secured and China is doing the heavy lifting on this project as PAC does not have spare capacity for such a export venture since Block II has it's hands full

Maybe Argentina? I hope it's true a export has been secured we should find out soon because we know the political pressure will certainly come into play here

Breaking the ice and getting the first export order is really important goods news all around

 

[LonE_WolF]

well there was a news in urdu media yesterday that nigeria will soon sign a deal. however there is another report that china and argentina will form a joint committee for discussing fighter jet deal

 

[LonE_WolF]

Argentina and China are to form a working group to look at the possible introduction into Argentine Air Force (Fuerza Aérea Argentina - FAA) service of a new Chinese fighter type, it was disclosed on 5 February.

The working group, which was discussed during a visit by between Argentine president Cristina Fernández de Kirchner to Beijing from 2 to 5 February, will look at the possible transfer of a range of military equipment to Buenos Aries. Chief among this equipment is either the Chengdu Aircraft Corporation (CAC) FC-1/JF-17 or the CAC J-10 fighter aircraft.

Ahead of any transfer of aircraft, the working group will examine means by which the FAA might integrate such aircraft into its inventory, and support them once in service. Argentina stands to receive 14 fighter aircraft should the proposed transfer go ahead, though no timelines have been revealed.

ANALYSIS
For some years now, Argentina has been trying to replace its antiquated and increasingly unserviceable Dassault Mirage IIIEA, IAI Dagger, and McDonnell Douglas A-4 Skyhawk fighter fleets with a newer and more capable type.

News of the Argentine-Chinese working group comes weeks after it was reported that Russia had courted Argentina with the possible lease of Sukhoi Su-24 'Fencer' strike aircraft. While the UK Ministry of Defence took these reports seriously enough to review the defence of the Falkland Islands, the Su-24s would have no really operational utility for the FAA, and it would appear that any proposed transfer of such aircraft is likely the result of Russia playing political games with the UK over the continuing crisis in Ukraine.

Other, more realistic, options that have been touted over recent months include surplus Spanish Mirage F1s, Israeli Aerospace Industries (IAI) Kfirs, and Saab Gripen E/Fs. All of these appear to have stalled for either economic or political reasons (the proposed buy of the Gripen E/F was effectively vetoed by the UK, which manufactures many of the aircraft's systems).

The Chinese FC-1/JF-17 has also been previously touted as a possible option for the FAA, so it is interesting to see it once again mentioned with this latest Argentine-Chinese agreement. The J-10, however, has not been mentioned in relation to the FAA before.

First unveiled in 2006, the J-10 bears more than a passing resemblance to the 'Euro-canard' Gripen, Dassault Rafale, and Eurofighter Typhoon fighters (it has been claimed that the J-10 was actually developed from the Israeli Aerospace Industries Lavi, which was itself modelled from the Lockheed Martin F-16).

The single-seat, single-engined, fighter has a top speed of Mach 1.8 at altitude, a service ceiling of 55,000 ft, is cleared to +9/-3 g , has a radius-of-operation of 300 n miles (555 km; 345 miles), and a payload of 6,600 kg (14,550 lb) on 11 hardpoints. Weapons options include PL-8 (Python 3) or later air-to-air missiles (AAMs) such as PL-11 or PL-12; Vympel R-73 and R-77 AAMs; C-801 or C-802 air-to-surface missiles; YJ-8K (anti-ship) or YJ-9 (anti-radiation) missiles; and up to six 1,000 lb laser-guided or free-fall bombs. There is also an internally-mounted 23 mm cannon, and the provision for a Chinese-developed infrared/laser navigation and targeting pod.

The People's Liberation Army Air Force (PLAAF) is believed to have a requirement for up to 300 J-10s, and its inclusion in the FAA's inventory would represent a significant capability boost for Argentina.

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[PanAsian]

I too feel that China would not export J-10 at this stage. It is apparent to me that China intends to keep the J-10 for themselves, especially the J-10B. They ramped up production of the J-10B in a hurry last year. Why would they do that if they intended this model for export? They had never advertised the J-10 before. At Zhuhai airshow last year, they advertised the FC-31 like crazy. I have not seen any official brochure or anything similar with the J-10. Based on how China treats export models vs. domestic models, it is clear, at least to me, that the J-10 is NOT for export.

JF-17 is high likely but could Argentina be interested in co-developing the J-31? Or afford it?

 

[Deino]

By the way any news on the first Block II aircraft !??

 

[vesicles]

JF-17 is high likely but could Argentina be interested in co-developing the J-31? Or afford it?

That is possible. The report on the Argintinian agreement also mentions developing a fighter together. So it is possible that they wanted the FC-31. And this actually makes sense, given how China developed FC-1 with Pakistan.

 

[Deino]

I think no-one would deny that they are interested ... the problem is simply that they cannot afford it due to their limited budget.

It's like me ... I'm also interested in an Audi, BMW or Mercedes ... but my budget allows me at best a VW or Peugeot for my family !

 

[Miragedriver]

That is possible. The report on the Argintinian agreement also mentions developing a fighter together. So it is possible that they wanted the FC-31. And this actually makes sense, given how China developed FC-1 with Pakistan.

I see the JF-17 being Argentinas only hope for a modern combat aircraft (economically speaking). However, after the brilliant tweet by la presidenta, the only hope now will be used MiG-29s.

Too bad since the JF-17 is a very capable aircraft.

 

[broadsword]

I see the JF-17 being Argentinas only hope for a modern combat aircraft (economically speaking). However, after the brilliant tweet by la presidenta, the only hope now will be used MiG-29s.

Too bad since the JF-17 is a very capable aircraft.

China is not run by some megalomaniac regime; it has been pragmatic, even during the Mao era. I am sure it can see that compared with smooth, elegant and classy lady with a knife behind her back, the tweet is but a minor irritant coming from someone pampered.