*New J-10 Thread*

[jatt]

Awsome picture Swimmer. Thats the best one i've seen yet. Looks real probabily is. It looks great from this angle usually it looks fat.
Any reason it only carries 4 AAM? There seems little room for more missiles.

 

[MIGleader]

The j-10 has eleven places to store munitions. obviously, it would not carry the max load on any mission. With what appears to be two pl-12s, and two pl-9 sraams, this j-10 is probably configured to interception.

 

[crobato]

Awsome picture Swimmer. Thats the best one i've seen yet. Looks real probabily is. It looks great from this angle usually it looks fat.
Any reason it only carries 4 AAM? There seems little room for more missiles.

It can carry six missiles, as there are six hardpoints in the wings. The outermost pylon appear strong enough to carry an SD-10 or PL-12 although all we see right now is a PL-8 attachment. But the usual interception configuration is four PL-12s inside and center, and two PL-8s on the outside, with a fuel tank in the middle.

 

[crobato]

Here's an interesting picture showing 3 yellow machines ... (posted by Pinko at the Key-forum !!)

Any idea, how old this picture is ????

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Cheers, Deino

No idea if it is recent or not. Foggy look does indicate cold weather.

 

[Deino]

No idea if it is recent or not. Foggy look does indicate cold weather.

Thanks for Your comment .... I agree with You but I think more later than earlier ! It reminds to some pictures posted in a German forum from Manching, where the German Eurofighter is produced and You can see the newly produced aircraft making their "individual" first flights !

Cheers, Deino

 

[swimmerXC]

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[tphuang]

swimmerxc, that picture is really old.

Anyhow, we got some news on the export front. Just as I've been speculating recently, PAF has apparently decided to purchase J-10. At least this does not look like an April Fools day joke. Although the tone of the article sounds kind of amateurish. Now the good news is that we might finally get to see some of the stats of J-10. One big question is the engine issue. I guess WS-10A is coming along well enough that China is comfortable about exporting it. At the same time, another issue is what kind of radar and avionics this J-10 get exported with.

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Pakistan may buy US, Chinese and Soviet planes

By Muhammad Saleh Zaafir

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan has decided to purchase state-of-the-art Chinese F-10 (Jian-10) multi-role fighter-cum-bomber planes while the decision pertaining to purchase of US made ultra modern F-16 planes would be made in July next.

Meanwhile Moscow has signalled to Pakistan that like the US, it could also de-hyphenate its ties with Pakistan and India. As a result of this change in thinking, Pakistan could also go for Russian made planes for the Pakistan Air Force (PAF).

The first batch of high-profile JF/Thunder-17 aircraft jointly being manufactured by Pakistan and China will be ready for induction early next year, ahead of the schedule. These planes would be flying in the same year in the skies of Pakistan and China as part of their respective air forces. Air Chief Marshal Tanveer Mahmood Ahmad Chief of the Air Staff will visit China shortly to inspect the project. It will be his first foreign trip as the Air Chief.

Highly placed defence production sources revealed to The News here the other day that Federal Secretary for Defence Production Lt Gen Ali Jan Orakzaie who had gone to China last month has now returned to Islamabad after an extremely fruitful visit. He was tasked by President Musharraf with exploring the possibilities of acquiring the high-tech planes and other weaponry systems for the three services preferably with transfer of technology basis.

During his visit to China in February this year, President General Pervez Musharraf was shown the F-10 (also called as J-10 or Jian-10) considered to be the Chinese most secret flying machine. He was the first foreign dignitary/head of the state who chanced to see the demonstration of the multi-role fighter. It is the part of Chinese fourth generation fighter programme which sent waves of worry in India. Indian sources used to say that the programme had the collaboration of Pakistan, Israel, Russia, France and Italy. The rumour based Indian speculation was never owned or denied by the Chinese who love to maintain their peculiar style. The Indians used to say that Israeli input was visible on design while electronics and weapon technology had the mark of French assistance. The F-10 also has the similarities with Israel's Lavi fighter, but predominantly it has the edge like Russian Sukhoi Su-30 MK multi-role aircraft that has in some aspects outsmarted the US made F-16. Russians have supplied 100 such planes to China recently for induction in Peoples Chinese Air Force (PCAF).

Sources indicated that F-10 are the aircraft of the new century and they have recently been rolled out. No one knows the number and positioning of the planes as Chinese kept the secret close to their chest till now considering it as their secret weapon. With an understanding about provision of the planes to Pakistan, Beijing has unveiled it since the plane in question would fly for the first time out of the air frontiers of China. The Chinese engineers and scientists are still working to improve it further. Pakistan has decided to buy in first stance two squadrons of these planes. The mode of supply and price would be worked out through the system both the countries have. Secretary defence production has confirmed Pakistan's intention of buying the J-10 aircraft.

In another related development Pakistan has planned to buy US made F-16 in less number and in all likelihood the number would be cut to half of what Islamabad had initially planned to purchase. Pakistan had made up its mind to buy 55 brand new F-16, but now the number which Pakistan is expected to ask is 25 while 30 used planes will be bought from sources that the United States will identify. The second-hand planes will be later upgraded by the Americans and they could be provided by the US Air Force (USAF) or from any third country, the sources added.

F-16 are considered to be a passion of the PAF since they were the first high-tech flying machines that were inducted in its fleet. Pakistan had made up its mind to buy 75 new F-16 last year. The matter was at its final stage and the required legislation was about to be tabled in the US Congress for facilitation of the supply, but the devastating earthquake of October 8 last year forced Pakistan to request shelving the plan for the time being and Pakistan requested the US to keep the matter pending.

Meanwhile Pakistan is also eying the Russian defence production market. When President General Pervez Musharaf visited Moscow in February 2003, the Russians offered to Pakistan choppers but the deal could not materialize for certain reasons and now Islamabad has received positive signals from Moscow that could encourage it to buy some Russian planes. The Russian technology is very close to that being used by the Chinese and it would not be a difficult proposition for Pakistan to maintain such a system if Russians agree to supply Pakistan, the sources hinted. The Russian defence products are comparatively cheaper than the Western products.

Sources said that Islamabad and Moscow have started making contacts to initiate cooperation in the field of defence in some way. The Russians stakes are high in the case of defence supplies for the Indians but ever since New Delhi has opted to go in Washington's orbit in a big way, Moscow is considering Pakistan's request favourably, the sources added.

A visit of Ali Muhammad Jan Orakzaie to Washington in July next is on the cards.

In an additional note, found this on a war-sky thread, not sure where the original poster got this from:
通讯：4月中旬，十号解密

4月中旬，中国航空50周年庆祝表彰大会将在人民大会堂隆重举行，介时，一集团凝聚航空人十数载心血的重点型号将做为报告表彰的重点内容之一，以丰富详实的宣传资料展现给公众。

Basically, it just says that an important item from AVIC1 is officially coming out in the middle of April in China's aerospace's 50th birthday in people's hall. There will be some information on this. Well, unless this is talking about a mysterious J-7 or J-8 variant, I think we can safely say this is J-10's coming out party. We might even see clips of it on CCTV.

 

[maglomanic]

TP,
The news is from Jang daily newpaper which is considered a very respectable source for Urdu(official language) news. However i have no clue about the reporter and he seems to be quite inexperienced as you can see the choice of words that he has used (it's true for all reporters in Paksitan i am afraid in defence matters). However at defence secretary level the news has been confirmed so at minimum you can rest assured that Pakistan is the most serious contender for this aircraft(even though we were skeptical China would export J-10 or even market it at such an early stage ).

My gut feeling seems to be telling me that J-10 might eventually cut into the number of JF-17 if it is inducted alongside with Jf-17 early on in the game(alot of people were saying J-10 will be the "plus one" fighter for PAF numbering 35-45, however if two squardrons will be inducted as a start then probably the final numbers will go beyond the 35-45 numbers predicted).

Personally i am really happy and looking forward to the improved version or whatever will follow the J-10 from CAC.:china:

 

[Deino]

Basically, it just says that an important item from AVIC1 is officially coming out in the middle of April in China's aerospace's 50th birthday in people's hall. There will be some information on this. Well, unless this is talking about a mysterious J-7 or J-8 variant, I think we can safely say this is J-10's coming out party. We might even see clips of it on CCTV.

But couldn't this be the FC-1 04 ... I think it's more probable that this machine will be unveiled, than the J-10 !! ... even as I hope to see the J-10 !

Deino

 

[tphuang]

But couldn't this be the FC-1 04 ... I think it's more probable that this machine will be unveiled, than the J-10 !! ... even as I hope to see the J-10 !

Deino

the thing is JF-17 04 was already shown on CCTV when Musharraf came to visit CAC. And really, JF-17 can never be called a classified project for pla, since JDW was able to get all of the information on it.