*New J-10 Thread*

[maglomanic]

Thats what I ment by poor countries going for downgraded versions. I never said BD is neve going to afford PT-4 verient. The word at PAC is that BD doesnt even want Griffo S-7 which almost all export JF-17s produced at PAC will comprise of. They'll probably end up with few Griffos and rest with F-7's radars. They say Griffo is expensive.

Grifo is even not on the first 50 for PAF. Grifo couldnt satisfy them for first fifty for sure. If KLJ-7 is good enough for PAF then why not for BAF??

 

[Diving Falcon]

Grifo is even not on the first 50 for PAF. Grifo couldnt satisfy them for first fifty for sure. If KLJ-7 is good enough for PAF then why not for BAF??

Its possible that Galileo Avionica/FIAR are developing a radar that is more upto par with the PAF's specifications; or another possibility is that a new PESA or AESA radar is being developed. At this point the Chinese radars were considerably better than the Grifo-S7, and the first 50 JF-17s will definitely be equipped with Chinese avionics.

 

[walter]

Well for one the movement of Canards give away the possition to enemy radar. Stealth fighters are carefully designed and attention is necessary towards its shape. The shape of the aircraft along with the composite materials must refrect the incoming enermy radar signals. The movements of canard and externaly installed weapons will reflect the rays back instead of refrecting them.

I am not convinced that having canards negates an aircraft design's chance of being stealthy. In fact, I do believe a canard-equipped aircraft could be designed to be as stealthy as a more conventional layout. After all, in a conventional layout, the tail surfaces deflect just like a canard would--if having moving surfaces meant a plane could not be stealthy then we wouldn't see any stealth aircraft. It just comes down to getting the canard design right.

 

[vincelee]

there is a reason why JSF went from canard to conventional. Look into JAST.

 

[Totoro]

there is a reason why JSF went from canard to conventional. Look into JAST.

Can you please save us (me, at least) the extensive googling and write two sentences about just what was the reason? Thank you.

 

[skyhawk2005]

Its possible that Galileo Avionica/FIAR are developing a radar that is more upto par with the PAF's specifications; or another possibility is that a new PESA or AESA radar is being developed. At this point the Chinese radars were considerably better than the Grifo-S7, and the first 50 JF-17s will definitely be equipped with Chinese avionics.

more up to par??

give me a break. original specs were matched by chinese radar. any pesa/aesa would definitly exceed specifications by a large margin.

fc1 is not f22. it is cheap 3rd generation for pakistan. such technologies would be illfitting for the fc1.

anyway how is pakistan going to afford pesa or aesa? they cannot afford such advanced technology!

 

[maglomanic]

Its possible that Galileo Avionica/FIAR are developing a radar that is more upto par with the PAF's specifications; or another possibility is that a new PESA or AESA radar is being developed. At this point the Chinese radars were considerably better than the Grifo-S7, and the first 50 JF-17s will definitely be equipped with Chinese avionics.

I wouldnt bet on Grifo(teamed up with SELEX) unless they have to offer something like VIXEN 500 AESA. I don't think PAF will switch PD for another PD when they are satisfied with current as of now and they can certainly trust the Chinese to improve it further for them.

 

[maglomanic]

more up to par??

give me a break. original specs were matched by chinese radar. any pesa/aesa would definitly exceed specifications by a large margin.

fc1 is not f22. it is cheap 3rd generation for pakistan. such technologies would be illfitting for the fc1.

anyway how is pakistan going to afford pesa or aesa? they cannot afford such advanced technology!

You have been mislead to beleive that. Even pakistani delegation held talks with Grifo/Selex consortium for avionics package. And Pakistan's aircrafts no matter how cheap always tend to have good avionics on them (examples are old mirages and F-7s).

And why can't Pakistan afford AESA or PESA?? It doesnt have to have em on all 150 aircraft.

 

[isthvan]

Fingers crossed, they should try to show off the 5th generation fighter at the 2008 Olympics. That would make Chinese people all over the world proud! :china:

Sorry but I cant see that hapened... Development of new gen fighter is not development of new gen bike ... You cant develop a fighter from model to operational aircraft in 2 years onley...

Why is that so? Is the RCS of JSF much lower than EF-2000, SU-47 and Mig 1.44?

If the RCS of JSF is not much lower than EF-2000 and SU-47 then someone in the Lockheed Martin pretty much f.... up US goverment... Yes jsf-s RCS is much lower then EF-s ...
As for mig1.44 I dont know... Mig1.42 was supposed to be soviet F22...

 

[skyhawk2005]

You have been mislead to beleive that. Even pakistani delegation held talks with Grifo/Selex consortium for avionics package. And Pakistan's aircrafts no matter how cheap always tend to have good avionics on them (examples are old mirages and F-7s).

And why can't Pakistan afford AESA or PESA?? It doesnt have to have em on all 150 aircraft.

Yet you have just stated that you woudn't bet on it happening, right?

Having talks is one thing, but making it happen is another. how much is an AESA? Several million dollars? 5 million? Can Pakistan afford it?

Would Grifo sell it to Pakistan if only a few planes out of the 150 will have it?

The first 50 will use Chinese Avionics. Does that mean the next 100 will use Grifo? Can Pakistan afford to spend 500million on AESA?

I don't think so.