New Energy Vehicles (NEVs) in China

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    Chinese government designates plug-in hybrid electric vehicles (PHEVs), battery electric vehicles (BEVs), and fuel cell electric vehicles (FCEVs or FCVs), which use hydrogen power, as new energy vehicles (NEVs). China, which has the largest auto market in the world by far (23 million sales annually vs 17 million in the U.S.), also has the largest market for NEVs in the world. Here is an overview.

    While China regulators are aiming at 60% EV sales by 2035, they also started the push for hydrogen fuel cell vehicles, probably in anticipation of one of the unstated problems of EV manufacturing in the future: the bottleneck of metal supplies, such as lithium, cobalt, and nickel etc. Hydrogen supply, on the other hand, is unlimited, and offers the following advantage:

    https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/237969/fuel-cell-vehicle-development-in-china.pdf

    So it's not surprising that China is cutting subsidies for the maturing EV industry while moving toward hydrogen power:

     
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    http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2019-09/01/c_138356098.htm

     
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    The catalyst mentioned on the page seems referring to chemical reactions in general, not the catalytic converter used in the exhaust system on vehicles. Since fuel cell vehicles do not produce polluting emissions, I'm not sure if catalytic converter is even needed.
     
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    A catalyst is something that initiated a chemical reaction. A catalytic converter in internal combustion engine vehicles is used to convert some nasty chemical in the exhaust to something more benign. In hydrogen fuel cells case, the platinum is initiating the chemical reaction of hydrogen combining with oxygen in the air without burning and convert the energy released in the process into electricity.

    That’s just my layman’s understanding
     
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    The scientist all over the world are allready working on cheaper solutions, maybe china has something in the pipe.

    https://ucrtoday.ucr.edu/51072

    https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/smll.201703459
     
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    The recent coup in Bolivia is a prime example why the West's support for "freedom and democracy" is such a joke. On the surface, the multinationals advocate "free market" and oppose "government subsidies". Covertly, they conspire with their government and intel service to dispose governments of resource-rich developing countries, if these governments don't approve their exploitative dealings. Then they will sneak in to sign deals to steal those resources, under the guise of a so-called "democratic interim" government, which in truth, is just a puppet government that serves the interests of western multinationals. The recent events in Bolivia is a textbook example:

    https://www.asiatimes.com/2019/11/opinion/chinas-links-with-morales-figure-in-bolivia-coup/
     
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    Good video about a number of China's successful EV deals throughout the world.

     
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