The idea of 2 main economic superpowers, China and the US, clashing seems likely, with both of them flexing their muscles by destroying sattelites in Space, and also Russia and the US also clashing quite frequently on policies such as the anti-missile defence system. and Russia reasserting itself in eastern Europe and maratime patrols close to the coast of Alaska. What are the likelyhood of another Cold War occuring?
New Cold War???
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Oh this thread is just asking to get closed. While it's still up here is my 2cents. I would say, with the current economic climate, the USA will just spend itself into oblivion (like it already is). Which is good news for China. I guess they aren't learning the lesson from Russia the first time around.
Well, speaking of the cold war, is Russia and china's relation good lately?
sry i didnt explain what i meant clearly. I think that it appears that relations between the U.S and China, and U.S and Russia are deteriorating. Russia appears to be trying to reassert itself in Eastern Europe, such as Ukraine when it was trying to join NATO or when Estonia tried to take down a statue of a former soviet hero last year and air patrols close to Alaska. This is almost a return to the Soviet Days. Also it appears with that shooting down of satellites by China and US is a return to the arms race. I was just wondering wat peoples opinion was on this, and whether people think this is a similar political atmosphere as to that of the cold war.
Autumn Child
Junior Member
This is definitely not cold war...far from it.
The Sino-US relationship is too complex, they cannot be purely enemy because of their close economic ties. Imagine if US tries to stop all import from China at this moment. No one dares to imagine the consequence. The Chinese side might fare better in short term due to the large foreign reserve. As for Russia, no one is taking them too seriously except for the western european country that depends on russian energy export.
Personally I think the US relationship with China is better than it was a few years ago. Just look at how bush is reluctant to even say boycot for the Olympic despite western european nation making noise about the possibility of boycot.
The Sino-US relationship is too complex, they cannot be purely enemy because of their close economic ties. Imagine if US tries to stop all import from China at this moment. No one dares to imagine the consequence. The Chinese side might fare better in short term due to the large foreign reserve. As for Russia, no one is taking them too seriously except for the western european country that depends on russian energy export.
Personally I think the US relationship with China is better than it was a few years ago. Just look at how bush is reluctant to even say boycot for the Olympic despite western european nation making noise about the possibility of boycot.
AssassinsMace
Lieutenant General
Well take a page from the propaganda. It accuses that China's labor force is all slave labor. If it's all slave labor then if all of the sudden the US pulled out of China nearly nothing would happen to China. They're not getting paid making their products. Like not slave laboring for a Western corporation is a greater hardship? Everyone just got a vacation. And Western prices for their goods shoot up no matter what other country they decide to move to.
The probability of a new cold war is very slim. Take a look at current relationships between nations and you can see why.
In the Cold War, the world was divided into 2 mutually exclusive spheres: the "Free World" and the "Communist Bloc". These two spheres were independent in a sense that one's success does not rely on another. They had minimal diplomatic contact and trade was non-existant. Conflict was only avoided through mutually assured destruction.
Today's world is a lot more interlinked. China and Russia are part of the WTO. The United States is China's main export market (customer)and China is one of the United States' main trading partners. An economic recession on one, affects another, as we have seen in the recent sub-prime mess. Therefore, each side has a say on the other side's success. This interdependence, that they can be prosperous together, will prevent a new Cold War from starting.
In the Cold War, the world was divided into 2 mutually exclusive spheres: the "Free World" and the "Communist Bloc". These two spheres were independent in a sense that one's success does not rely on another. They had minimal diplomatic contact and trade was non-existant. Conflict was only avoided through mutually assured destruction.
Today's world is a lot more interlinked. China and Russia are part of the WTO. The United States is China's main export market (customer)and China is one of the United States' main trading partners. An economic recession on one, affects another, as we have seen in the recent sub-prime mess. Therefore, each side has a say on the other side's success. This interdependence, that they can be prosperous together, will prevent a new Cold War from starting.
London is behind olympic boycott!!
The Case of Tibet, Now Considered
It is from this vantage point, alone, that the case of the onrushing destabilization of the Chinese province of Tibet—ostensibly launched with anti-Chinese Tibetan independence riots in the capital city of Lhasa on March 10—can be assessed. The target of this destabilization, as well as the soon-to-be unleashed destabilization of China's Xinjiang Province, by Muslim Uighur separatists, is China. London intends to provoke a confrontation between China and the West, to be the opening phase of a larger Eurasian war, soon to target Russia and India as well.
Tibet has been a playground for British intelligence operations against China for more than a century, based on the initial British colonial-era interest in establishing a buffer state between its India colonies and China, and using that buffer state, on key occasions, to provoke actual war.
It was during the early 1930s, as Russia and China were being militarily challenged by Britain's ally Japan, that Britain trained and armed a separatist army, under the 13th Dalai Lama, to split Tibet out of China. At the same time, Britain trained and armed a Uighur Muslim uprising in southern Xinjiang Province in western China, which promoted then, and still does, to this day, an independent, mythical "East Turkestan."
In May 1933, the Soviet news agency TASS reported on the Uighur uprising and its links to the British-led actions in Tibet, in terms that could easily describe the British plans being activated today: The Xinjiang uprising, TASS wrote, "must be considered as definitely connected with the operations of Tibetan troops.... There is no doubt that interested imperialist countries are endeavoring to utilize the present moment to set up in Xinjiang, a Mohammedan state hostile to China, which would be dependent upon them and would serve as a buffer between the U.S.S.R. and China in the northwest, just as 'Manchukuo' [the Japanese puppet state] does in the northeast."
One of the architects of those 1930s Tibetan and Xinjiang operations for British intelligence was Hugh Richardson (1905-2000), a third-generation veteran of the British Foreign Office's India Office, who spent nine years in Tibet during the 1930s and 1940s, and became the British "handler" of the young 14th Dalai Lama, as well as the protector, after World War II, of the leading Nazi agents in Tibet, including Heinrich Harrer and Bruno Beger. A recipient of the Order of the British Empire, Richardson was the architect of the "independent" Tibet hoax, and recruited a next generation of British intelligence Tibet-handlers, including Michael Aris (the husband of Aung San Suu Kyi, the British intelligence-run Myanmar "opposition" leader). Upon his "retirement" in 1951, Richardson established the Tibet Society of the U.K., at the time the only non-governmental organization in the world that disputed Chinese sovereignty over Tibet; and later founded the Richardson Foundation, to recruit young Tibetans to British service.
Richardson, himself, had been recruited and trained by Basil Gould and Sir Charles Bell, two earlier Tibet handlers for the British secret services, who had worked on the original British invasion of Tibet in 1903, with Francis Younghusband, the military commander of that operation, which, in effect, sealed off Tibet from China. Richardson was the author of secret British intelligence profiles on Tibet, and a series of published works, profiling the culture and history of the Himalayan region.
The Case of Tibet, Now Considered
It is from this vantage point, alone, that the case of the onrushing destabilization of the Chinese province of Tibet—ostensibly launched with anti-Chinese Tibetan independence riots in the capital city of Lhasa on March 10—can be assessed. The target of this destabilization, as well as the soon-to-be unleashed destabilization of China's Xinjiang Province, by Muslim Uighur separatists, is China. London intends to provoke a confrontation between China and the West, to be the opening phase of a larger Eurasian war, soon to target Russia and India as well.
Tibet has been a playground for British intelligence operations against China for more than a century, based on the initial British colonial-era interest in establishing a buffer state between its India colonies and China, and using that buffer state, on key occasions, to provoke actual war.
It was during the early 1930s, as Russia and China were being militarily challenged by Britain's ally Japan, that Britain trained and armed a separatist army, under the 13th Dalai Lama, to split Tibet out of China. At the same time, Britain trained and armed a Uighur Muslim uprising in southern Xinjiang Province in western China, which promoted then, and still does, to this day, an independent, mythical "East Turkestan."
In May 1933, the Soviet news agency TASS reported on the Uighur uprising and its links to the British-led actions in Tibet, in terms that could easily describe the British plans being activated today: The Xinjiang uprising, TASS wrote, "must be considered as definitely connected with the operations of Tibetan troops.... There is no doubt that interested imperialist countries are endeavoring to utilize the present moment to set up in Xinjiang, a Mohammedan state hostile to China, which would be dependent upon them and would serve as a buffer between the U.S.S.R. and China in the northwest, just as 'Manchukuo' [the Japanese puppet state] does in the northeast."
One of the architects of those 1930s Tibetan and Xinjiang operations for British intelligence was Hugh Richardson (1905-2000), a third-generation veteran of the British Foreign Office's India Office, who spent nine years in Tibet during the 1930s and 1940s, and became the British "handler" of the young 14th Dalai Lama, as well as the protector, after World War II, of the leading Nazi agents in Tibet, including Heinrich Harrer and Bruno Beger. A recipient of the Order of the British Empire, Richardson was the architect of the "independent" Tibet hoax, and recruited a next generation of British intelligence Tibet-handlers, including Michael Aris (the husband of Aung San Suu Kyi, the British intelligence-run Myanmar "opposition" leader). Upon his "retirement" in 1951, Richardson established the Tibet Society of the U.K., at the time the only non-governmental organization in the world that disputed Chinese sovereignty over Tibet; and later founded the Richardson Foundation, to recruit young Tibetans to British service.
Richardson, himself, had been recruited and trained by Basil Gould and Sir Charles Bell, two earlier Tibet handlers for the British secret services, who had worked on the original British invasion of Tibet in 1903, with Francis Younghusband, the military commander of that operation, which, in effect, sealed off Tibet from China. Richardson was the author of secret British intelligence profiles on Tibet, and a series of published works, profiling the culture and history of the Himalayan region.
Cold war, I believe unofficially it never stopped.
I also believe that economical relations are not as important as the race for energy resources. China is trying hard to develop good relationship with African countries but USA is trying to stop this big time.
Russia has millions of tons of natural resources as gas, oil, etc. US ultimate goal is to get hold of Russia one day. I know, I know, most of you are laughing now, but I just hope we will all live long enough to witness this.
Before you start arguing just do me a favour, go on google video and search for a movie "power of nightmares". It is a BBC documentary, so no crappy conspiracy drama. It comes in three parts, each part goes for an hour. Enjoy.
I also believe that economical relations are not as important as the race for energy resources. China is trying hard to develop good relationship with African countries but USA is trying to stop this big time.
Russia has millions of tons of natural resources as gas, oil, etc. US ultimate goal is to get hold of Russia one day. I know, I know, most of you are laughing now, but I just hope we will all live long enough to witness this.
Before you start arguing just do me a favour, go on google video and search for a movie "power of nightmares". It is a BBC documentary, so no crappy conspiracy drama. It comes in three parts, each part goes for an hour. Enjoy.
maozedong
Banned Idiot
Since the disintegration of the former Soviet Union, the U.S has become the world's sole military superpower, and the establishment of its world hegemony. Which hegemonic status, the U.S will be able to enjoy it in the interests of a better world.
But the U.S must prevent its hegemonic position was being challenged, and such potential challenges from China and Russia, the world only China and Russia have this condition in the future to challenge the hegemony of the U.S. Therefore, the U.S dare not relax at all alert, do everything possible to gather all the world's pro-US forces on China and Russia strategic siege, and its core strategy is to build a missile defense system, the U.S use of its powerful force, conquering neighboring China and Russia countries and regions, and started to build these places missile defense system, and seeking in the U.S in the nuclear advantage.
Because China and Russia with U.S do not have the ability to directly confront, which for the U.S, can only be regarded as a potential threat, in fact, is that the U.S and its allies on the absolute superiority of the siege than China and Russia, and China and Russia only make every effort to break the siege of the U.S and its allies, this situation is not regarded as the Cold War confrontation between the parties because strength too asymmetric, China and Russia in self-defense only nuclear weapons.
Different era and the Cold War, the U.S is facing the greatest threat to another, international terrorism and other anti-US countries may be nuclear threats, as well as all kinds of unpredictable attacks, the world crisis that may arise and so on.
These are the possible threat to the U.S hegemony, and all of them, U.S needs China and Russia cooperation,in fact, China and Russia itself does not want confrontation with U.S.
And the structure of the world economy has fundamentally changed the global economic integration, satisfy the interests of all parties, no more ideological struggle, the major national boundaries should join hands to resolve future global potential crisis, these are not the Cold War possible reasons.
There are so many countries around the world, national, interest groups, conflict and strife is inevitable, but it will not become the Cold War.in the early,Russia display of force, only that it is at a disadvantage, under siege,to U.S and its allies expressed dissatisfaction in a way, like a troubled polar bears, a growl.
But the U.S must prevent its hegemonic position was being challenged, and such potential challenges from China and Russia, the world only China and Russia have this condition in the future to challenge the hegemony of the U.S. Therefore, the U.S dare not relax at all alert, do everything possible to gather all the world's pro-US forces on China and Russia strategic siege, and its core strategy is to build a missile defense system, the U.S use of its powerful force, conquering neighboring China and Russia countries and regions, and started to build these places missile defense system, and seeking in the U.S in the nuclear advantage.
Because China and Russia with U.S do not have the ability to directly confront, which for the U.S, can only be regarded as a potential threat, in fact, is that the U.S and its allies on the absolute superiority of the siege than China and Russia, and China and Russia only make every effort to break the siege of the U.S and its allies, this situation is not regarded as the Cold War confrontation between the parties because strength too asymmetric, China and Russia in self-defense only nuclear weapons.
Different era and the Cold War, the U.S is facing the greatest threat to another, international terrorism and other anti-US countries may be nuclear threats, as well as all kinds of unpredictable attacks, the world crisis that may arise and so on.
These are the possible threat to the U.S hegemony, and all of them, U.S needs China and Russia cooperation,in fact, China and Russia itself does not want confrontation with U.S.
And the structure of the world economy has fundamentally changed the global economic integration, satisfy the interests of all parties, no more ideological struggle, the major national boundaries should join hands to resolve future global potential crisis, these are not the Cold War possible reasons.
There are so many countries around the world, national, interest groups, conflict and strife is inevitable, but it will not become the Cold War.in the early,Russia display of force, only that it is at a disadvantage, under siege,to U.S and its allies expressed dissatisfaction in a way, like a troubled polar bears, a growl.