Naval launchers, guns and others

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    The bottom right full-bore cold-launch option is intended for missiles like the HHQ-26 and future ultra-long range cruise missiles.
     
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    Excellent! @Iron Man . It was an eye opening for me as well.

    Would it be possible (cold launch) to still have quad packed with 2x 45cm missile and the other 2 are smaller, let's say 25cm? ... so the space is optimised
     
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    Yes, but all 4 would have to be cold-launched. The thing with smaller missiles is that they tend to be last-ditch or nearly last-ditch air defense missiles which means you need them to have a rapid reaction capability, which is best achieved by hot launch. Cold launch is significantly slower and really relevant mainly for the massive long ranged missiles like HHQ-9, HHQ-26, etc.
     
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    OK

    I'm wondering if in the future they'll develop like
    Dong-Feng AShBM scaled down to fit in
    if you know what I'm saying

    would be cool (and "just great" for the Opfor SAG)
     
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    entertainingly, missiles' area is almost the same for the two arrangements in the upper row of your chart Yesterday at 9:10 AM
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    two times pi*0.225^2 is about 0.318;
    four times pi*0.16^2 is about 0.322

    I like the whopper though LOL of course not only because of
    pi*0.385^2 = 0.466
     
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    That is an interesting thought, but I'm not sure if such an ASBM would achieve enough velocity or altitude to adversely affect enemy sensors.

    Actually they are exactly the same size cells and missile diameters. I was illustrating the difference in how a finned missile and straked missile could be packed into the same size cell.
     
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    my lunch break is coming to an end so I'll be quick:

    had they used a Tochka (LOL hope it's obvious they wouldn't have used a Tochka), they could've gotten up to 26 km according to http://rbase.new-factoria.ru/missile/wobb/tochka/tochka.shtml

    as for speed, Russian wiki says 1100 meters per second

    have to go
     
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    Hmm, mach 3 with a range of only 120km. I think I would rather have a YJ-18 in that tube. The short range makes the high speed and high terminal approach less of a worthwhile tradeoff in today's environment with ubiquitous SM-3 and SM-6. Double that range and maybe there's an argument for it.
     
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    thought I made it clear something newer than a Tochka would be needed LOL

    but you might be right in the sense it would be a waste of resources to first spend money on a mini-AShBM (LOL) and then take up the space which could be used by regular AShMs which would be simply used in a saturation attack

    I've been intrigued though by the idea of a volley of warheads as heavy as 12" shells, fired well over-the-horizon in the middle of the Pacific, falling at some really steep angle, doing several-Mach ... the time of flight of several minutes
     
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    It's not necessarily a bad idea, since not all Aegis ships are getting updated to the BMD baseline. That would make them more susceptible to ballistic missile attacks from above, I reckon. It would just have to have the right range, which in the case of a ballistic missile happens to depend on its speed and trajectory, so if you increase the speed, you get more range and higher trajectory to boot. OTOH you only have a volume of about 85 x 85 x 900cm to work with. And you would have some serious minimum range issues.

    Targeting would be a serious challenge, as there is no good way to recalibrate your fires when you miss unless you have a spotter near enough to your target to call in corrections. During a flight time of say 5 minutes a ship traveling at 30 knots would already have moved 4.6km from its initial position, potentially in any direction. This is the same reason large naval guns had ranges that were limited to the visual horizon (WW1) or radar horizon (WW2).
     
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