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Iron Man

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A speculative update on UVLS module length capabilities:

9m: Yu-8A, DK-10A, HHQ-9, HHQ-16, YJ-18, CJ-10, HHQ-26

7m: Yu-8A, DK-10A, HHQ-9, HHQ-16

5m (?): Yu-8A, DK-10A

3.3m: nothing (Tor?)
 
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SinoSoldier

Colonel
A speculative update on UVLS module length capabilities:

9m: Yu-8A, DK-10A, HHQ-9, HHQ-16, YJ-18, CJ-10, HHQ-26

7m: Yu-8A, DK-10A, HHQ-9, HHQ-16

5m (?): Yu-8A, DK-10A

3.3m: nothing (Tor?)

A couple of issues:
  • We don't know the length of the CJ-10 missile. Sources vary from 6.5 to 8.3 meters.
  • The HHQ-9 has a length of 6.8 meters. We don't know if this leaves enough clearance for additional required equipment for cold launch or other capabilities.
 

Iron Man

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A couple of issues:
  • We don't know the length of the CJ-10 missile. Sources vary from 6.5 to 8.3 meters.
  • The HHQ-9 has a length of 6.8 meters. We don't know if this leaves enough clearance for additional required equipment for cold launch or other capabilities.
You seem to be arguing both sides of the fence. You argue that "rumors" suggest the 052D doesn't have 9m modules, but yet post a photo of YJ-18 being launched and stating that this confirms 9m modules, and now you're suggesting that 052D must have 9m modules otherwise it can't even launch its HHQ-9s.

BTW, I'd like to see your sources on "6.5 to 8.3 meters". As in direct links.
 

SinoSoldier

Colonel
You seem to be arguing both sides of the fence. You argue that "rumors" suggest the 052D doesn't have 9m modules, but yet post a photo of YJ-18 being launched and stating that this confirms 9m modules, and now you're suggesting that 052D must have 9m modules otherwise it can't even launch its HHQ-9s.

BTW, I'd like to see your sources on "6.5 to 8.3 meters". As in direct links.

I was under the impression that the 052D's VLS canisters & modules were of the same size, and hence when we saw the GIF of it launching a YJ-18A, I assumed that all cells would be capable of launching the weapon.

Apparently, that assumption was disproved by statements made by a few credible posters.

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Help yourself to those links, but I don't see what's the point considering the gist of my argument was that we don't know the length of the CJ-10.
 

Iron Man

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I was under the impression that the 052D's VLS canisters & modules were of the same size, and hence when we saw the GIF of it launching a YJ-18A, I assumed that all cells would be capable of launching the weapon.

Apparently, that assumption was disproved by statements made by a few credible posters.

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Help yourself to those links, but I don't see what's the point considering the gist of my argument was that we don't know the length of the CJ-10.
If rumors are true then clearly the truth isn't that the 052D doesn't have 9m modules. In any case, it also means that 7m modules have no problem launching HHQ-9, unless you're willing to speculate that the 052D only carries 16 HHQ-9s.
 

SinoSoldier

Colonel
If rumors are true then clearly the truth isn't that the 052D doesn't have 9m modules. In any case, it also means that 7m modules have no problem launching HHQ-9, unless you're willing to speculate that the 052D only carries 16 HHQ-9s.

I'm not speculating anything at this point and neither should anyone else.

The "insiders" have their version of events (i.e. 052D only has 16 strike-length cells), the veracity of which is still unknown. Additionally, if the HQ-9 is really 6.8 meters long, that begs the question of whether they are able to be carried by the VLS of the 052D at all. Since it is all but confirmed that the 052D can launch HQ-9s, this discrepancy brings the credibility of those claims to question.

So, while the OP is generally credible to begin with, it doesn't hurt to occasionally question their claims.
 

Hyperwarp

Captain
YJ-18 length is unknown but for reference I guess we can use the ship launched VLS 3M-54TE 'Klub'. Terminal supersonic 3M-54TE is 8.2 m long.

Land based HQ-9 is 6.51 m.

Export LY-80 is 5.01 m, Buk 9М38, 9M317 are around 5.55 m.
 

Iron Man

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I'm not speculating anything at this point and neither should anyone else.

The "insiders" have their version of events (i.e. 052D only has 16 strike-length cells), the veracity of which is still unknown. Additionally, if the HQ-9 is really 6.8 meters long, that begs the question of whether they are able to be carried by the VLS of the 052D at all. Since it is all but confirmed that the 052D can launch HQ-9s, this discrepancy brings the credibility of those claims to question.

So, while the OP is generally credible to begin with, it doesn't hurt to occasionally question their claims.
And yet you sounded so confident before about the veracity of the 16-cell rumor in order to advance a different argument in another thread. Got to pick your poison, because you can't have your cake and eat it too.

BTW, there is no "discrepancy" just because you don't like the 6.8m length of the HHQ-9. First, you don't know if the HHQ-9 is 6.8m. Second you don't know the volume of gas needed to eject this missile. With these massive unknowns it is unwarranted to question the credibility of any claims. Not saying Henri's claims are true, but certainly the unknown length of the HHQ-9 plus the unknown size of the gas ejection mechanism are not any kind of basis to question anything.
 

jobjed

Captain
Official designation for the 130mm gun is not H/PJ-38, but H/PJ45A-130-1. The 130mm on the 055 is probably the H/PJ45 or H/PJ45A since it doesn't have the recoil-damping and weight-reducing measures taken for the 052D's 130mm.

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