Naval launchers, guns and others

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    VLS

    Chinese combattants use 3 VLS :

    In italic no completely sure

    Universal VLS for DDG 052D, long and medium ,


    Longer variant

    Cell's of 9 x 0.85 m, hot/cold lauching,
    Can fit in a cell :
    1 SAM HQ-9
    or 1 ASW CY-5
    or 1 LACM CJ-10

    or 1 AShM YJ-18
    or 4 DK-10A SAM
    Rate of fire max ?

    Medium variant

    Cell's of 7 x 0.85 m, hot/cold lauching,
    Can fit in a cell :
    1 SAM HHQ-9
    or 1 ASW CY-5
    or 4 DK-10A SAM
    Rate of fire max ?

    Small variant
    Cell's of 3.3 x 0.85 m, hot/cold lauching,
    Can fit in a cell :
    or 1 ASW CY-5
    or 4 DK-10A SAM

    Rate of fire max ?

    HHQ-16 ? VLS for FFG 054A

    Cell's of ? about 4/5 x 0.60 m, hot lauching,
    Can fit in a cell :
    1 SAM HQ-16
    or 1 ASW CY-5
    Rate of fire max ?

    Russian B-203A S-300F «Fort» SAM system initialy for SA-N-6/20 after HHQ-9 for DDG 052C, 051C
    Revolver system
    Big " VLS " system SA-N-20 do 7.5 m x 0.52 cm
    Can fit in a cell :
    1 SAM S-300F/SA-N-6 ; S-300FM/SA-N-20 ; HHQ-9
    Rate of fire max 20 miss/mn

    If some have more infos your welcome... :)
     
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    Just wondering, but how feasibly is it for quad-packed missiles to be fitted with boosters so they can have increased range when fired from say the 9m VLS?
     
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    I add size of missiles approx.

    Chinese combattants use 3 VLS :

    In italic no completely sure

    Universal VLS for DDG 052D, long and medium ,


    Longer variant
    Cell's of 9 x 0.85 m, hot/cold lauching,
    Can fit in a cell :
    1 SAM HQ-9 do 6,8 x 0,45 m
    or 1 ASW CY-5 do 1,2 x 0,4 m
    or 1 LACM CJ-10 do 7,2 x 0,5-0,75 m
    or 1 AShM YJ-18 do as SS-N-27/3M-54E ? 8,2 x 0,53 m ?
    or 1 SAM HQ-16 do 5 x 0,34 m
    or 4 SAM DK-10A variant of PL-12 do 5,1 x 0,26 m
    Rate of fire max ?

    Medium variant
    Cell's of 7 x 0.85 m, hot/cold lauching,
    Can fit in a cell :
    1 SAM HHQ-9 do 6,8 x 0,45 m
    or 1 ASW CY-5 do 1,2 x 0,4 m
    or 1 SAM HQ-16 do 5 x 0,34 m
    or 4 SAM DK-10A variant of PL-12 do 5,1 x 0,26 m
    Rate of fire max ?

    Small variant
    Cell's of 3.3 x 0.85 m, hot/cold lauching,
    Can fit in a cell :
    or 1 SAM HQ-16 do 5 x 0,34 m
    or 1 ASW CY-5 do 1,2 x 0,4 m
    or 4 SAM DK-10A variant of PL-12 do 5,1 x 0,26 m
    Rate of fire max ?

    HHQ-16 VLS for FFG 054A, later Type 051B, Sovremennyy/956 2 on 4
    Cell's of ? about 4/5 x 0.60 m, hot lauching,
    Can fit in a cell :
    1 SAM HQ-16 do 5 x 0,34 m
    or 1 ASW CY-5 do 1,2 x 0,4 m
    Rate of fire max ?

    Russian B-203A S-300F «Fort» SAM system initialy for SA-N-6/20 after HHQ-9 for DDG 052C, 051C
    Big VLS Revolver system " the first build initialy for Kirov CGN
    Can fit in a cell :
    1 SAM S-300F/SA-N-6 or S-300FM/SA-N-20 do 7.5 m x 0.52 cm,
    or 1 SAM HHQ-9 do 6,8 x 0,45 m
    Rate of fire max 20 miss/mn
     
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    The "small" variant universal VLS length of 3.3m looks dubious given that all the proposed missiles for this variant are far longer than 3.3m. The Mk 41's shortest length "self defense" tube is 5.2m, then 6.7m for the "tactical" length, and finally 7.6m for the "strike" length variant (with a total length of 8.7m). I don't see how a launcher could possibly be as short as 3.3m and still hold anything worth launching. I think somebody mis-transcribed 5.3m into 3.3m or something like that. Otherwise the original source is smoking crack.
     
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    It wasn't mistranslated. The original page from the GJB document stating 3.3m:

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    Though I admit I was surprised when I read that length as well, but an entirely sensible way in which a 3.3m length canister could be used, is if it's not intended to carry weapons like ESSM but rather smaller and shorter weapons like Barak-1 or a naval Tor equivalent.

    Such a length would only really be useful for corvettes or possibly even FACs.
     
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    Then this length is designed for a missile that has not yet been seen in the public eye. Since China did acquire the land-based Tor, maybe they copied that and designed a Kinzhal-equivalent. On the other hand, for short-ranged SAMs the PLAN seems to prefer the FL-3000N with its RAM-style launchers, so I'm not even sure where this tiny VLS launcher could have a niche role in the PLAN. Also, 3.3m seems to be a poor design choice, given that at this length the launcher requires definitely more than one deck penetration but significantly less than 2 decks, assuming in the neighborhood of 2.5m height per deck. The designers could easily have gotten away with 4m or even 4.5m given this VLS design does not need a bottom plenum structure to divert exhaust gases. You would then have 2-deck/3-deck/4-deck VLS length variants depending on the type of ship.
     
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    Seeing last conversations and I was caught in my calculations, many types of VLS... so i fix :)
    Remains very strange this VLS only one missile !

    NB : exist Sylver A-35 do only 3.5 m VL-Mica fit but Westen missiles are more compact than Chinese and Russian, much more easy to insert in a VLS.

    In italic no completely sure

    Universal VLS for DDG 052D, long and medium ,


    Longer variant
    Cell's of 9 x 0.85 m, hot/cold lauching,
    Can fit in a cell :
    1 SAM HQ-9 do 6,8 x 0,45 m
    or 1 ASW CY-5 do 1,2 x 0,4 m
    or 1 LACM CJ-10 do 7,2 x 0,5-0,75 m
    or 1 AShM YJ-18 do as SS-N-27/3M-54E ? 8,2 x 0,53 m ?
    or 1 SAM HQ-16 do 5 x 0,34 m
    or 4 SAM DK-10A variant of PL-12 do 5,1 x 0,26 m
    Rate of fire max ?

    Medium variant
    Cell's of 7 x 0.85 m, hot/cold lauching,
    Can fit in a cell :
    1 SAM HHQ-9 do 6,8 x 0,45 m
    or 1 ASW CY-5 do 1,2 x 0,4 m
    or 1 SAM HQ-16 do 5 x 0,34 m
    or 4 SAM DK-10A variant of PL-12 do 5,1 x 0,26 m
    Rate of fire max ?

    Small variant
    Cell's of 3.3 x 0.85 m, hot/cold lauching,
    Can fit in a cell :
    1 ASW CY-5 do 1,2 x 0,4 m
    Rate of fire max ?

    HHQ-16 VLS for FFG 054A, later Type 051B, Sovremennyy/956 2 on 4
    Cell's of ? about 4/5 x 0.60 m, hot lauching,
    Can fit in a cell :
    1 SAM HQ-16 do 5 x 0,34 m
    or 1 ASW CY-5 do 1,2 x 0,4 m
    Rate of fire max ?

    Russian B-203A S-300F «Fort» SAM system initialy for SA-N-6/20 after HHQ-9 for DDG 052C, 051C
    Big VLS Revolver system " the first build initialy for Kirov CGN
    Can fit in a cell :
    1 SAM S-300F/SA-N-6 or S-300FM/SA-N-20 do 7.5 m x 0.52 cm,
    or 1 SAM HHQ-9 do 6,8 x 0,45 m
    Rate of fire max 20 miss/mn
     
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    If the CY-5 is anything like the VLA at 4.5m length, then it would not fit either, meaning there are no known (naval) missiles in operation that the 3.3m universal VLS variant could actually load. :)

    I guess unless they develop a vertically-launched FL-3000N and put it in the 3.3m VLS instead of in its standard launcher. The side benefit would be that it could be quad-packed. The thing to figure out is how to provide targeting to a missile which is supposed to be fire-and-forget and also acquires the target PRIOR to launch.
     
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    Nice! What is the speed of the arrow shell when leaving s barrel and, even more interesting, when was this monster invented? I expect it would be pretty difficult to design a mounting for this thing.
     
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