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Shaolian

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Umm... are we sure that "The Great Wall" is a Chinese movie? I thought it was made by Legendary Pictures, which while been owned by a Chinese company, still remains very much an American producer, making movies predominantly for a western market?

At first I was really excited when I knew about this movie which is to be directed by Zhang Yimou. But when I know that it's basically a Hollywood production, with Zhang as director, my expectations quickly went south.

But I've never considered the casting of a western actor in this ancient Chinese setting to be racist... at all. I mean why not, there were western merchants and whatnots travelling to China since ancient times. And if dragons (some commentators call them lizards) trying to breach the Great Wall can exist, then it isn't such a stretch to imagine a bunch of stranded western dudes being thrust straight into the deep end.

And if Legendary is making movies for a western audience, they might just be playing it safe with a western guy as the focal point of the story.

Which brings me to the point of why I'm not putting much expectations to this movie. If this is a Chinese production meant primarily for an Asian market, we can be sure Zhang Yimou will be pulling out all the stops to guarantee epic status for this movie. But since this is primarily an American movie about Ancient China, we know it'll be watered down.

Not exactly racist. Just lame.
 

AssassinsMace

Lieutenant General
Well Disney has responded to the reaction to the Mulan live action movie. It's going to be an all Chinese cast. The 30-something European trader that was the male lead was only in the first version of the script written.
 

AssassinsMace

Lieutenant General
IT bothers many because we don't have a voice in Hollywood to represent us in the so called diversity and fair society of America. That's why the upcoming Mulan is a white washed one. Who care's about history and culture and you can just make up any movie to so called appease to the masses. If that's true than Hollywood should be more smart about it if they want to sell movies in the large Chinese market.

Yes I remember when Hollywood went out of their way to insert gay characters into TV and movies during a time gay issues were controversial. And now even in many conservative areas of the country see the majority accepting of gay rights issues.
 
Well Disney has responded to the reaction to the Mulan live action movie. It's going to be an all Chinese cast. The 30-something European trader that was the male lead was only in the first version of the script written.

Right, but it is still disturbing that someone wrote that first version of the script and someone paid money for it. Who knows what would have happened if nobody protested it.
 
Umm... are we sure that "The Great Wall" is a Chinese movie? I thought it was made by Legendary Pictures, which while been owned by a Chinese company, still remains very much an American producer, making movies predominantly for a western market?

At first I was really excited when I knew about this movie which is to be directed by Zhang Yimou. But when I know that it's basically a Hollywood production, with Zhang as director, my expectations quickly went south.

But I've never considered the casting of a western actor in this ancient Chinese setting to be racist... at all. I mean why not, there were western merchants and whatnots travelling to China since ancient times. And if dragons (some commentators call them lizards) trying to breach the Great Wall can exist, then it isn't such a stretch to imagine a bunch of stranded western dudes being thrust straight into the deep end.

And if Legendary is making movies for a western audience, they might just be playing it safe with a western guy as the focal point of the story.

Which brings me to the point of why I'm not putting much expectations to this movie. If this is a Chinese production meant primarily for an Asian market, we can be sure Zhang Yimou will be pulling out all the stops to guarantee epic status for this movie. But since this is primarily an American movie about Ancient China, we know it'll be watered down.

Not exactly racist. Just lame.

Possibly. There are business people who really don't understand the power and use of media as well as a segment of the population in China who really grovel for Western money and/or approval to the extent of being willingly self-racist, that is both racist and lame. However the full movie haven't been released yet so the jury is still out.
 

vesicles

Colonel
But I've never considered the casting of a western actor in this ancient Chinese setting to be racist... at all. I mean why not, there were western merchants and whatnots travelling to China since ancient times. And if dragons (some commentators call them lizards) trying to breach the Great Wall can exist, then it isn't such a stretch to imagine a bunch of stranded western dudes being thrust straight into the deep end.

Yep! Ancient China was full of metropolitan cities like modern day NY, London or Beijing. Especially in northwestern Chinese provinces like Shanxi and Shaanxi, it was very multicultural. The Silk Road allowed people from Europe, Mid East and India to travel to China.

Some history between ancient China and the Roman Empire:
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And if dragons (some commentators call them lizards) trying to breach the Great Wall can exist, then it isn't such a stretch to imagine a bunch of stranded western dudes being thrust straight into the deep end.

I wouldn't call them "dragons". I prefer the term "lizards".

Dragons are gods who control oceans and live in crystal palaces on the bottom of the oceans. Dragons control anything and everything related to water, like rain and flood. So they shall be worshipped. If you respect them, they give you proper amount of rain and you have harvest. Otherwise, you will have either flood or draught.

It would not be appropriate to describe the mindless monsters depicted in the movie as "dragons".
 
Yep! Ancient China was full of metropolitan cities like modern day NY, London or Beijing. Especially in northwestern Chinese provinces like Shanxi and Shaanxi, it was very multicultural. The Silk Road allowed people from Europe, Mid East and India to travel to China.

Some history between ancient China and the Roman Empire:
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I wouldn't call them "dragons". I prefer the term "lizards".

Dragons are gods who control oceans and live in crystal palaces on the bottom of the oceans. Dragons control anything and everything related to water, like rain and flood. So they shall be worshipped. If you respect them, they give you proper amount of rain and you have harvest. Otherwise, you will have either flood or draught.

It would not be appropriate to describe the mindless monsters depicted in the movie as "dragons".

Not in the Chinese sense of dragons anyways.
 

AssassinsMace

Lieutenant General
I think in the first trailer they had a shot of one of the creature's foot stomping down all fiery. That made it seem it was a dragon by some. They aren't Chinese dragons because I believe they don't breath fire and are all good. It might be some other Chinese mythical creature or just plain made up.
 
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