Mongol Influence on Combined Arms Tactics (Need Sources)

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    If you want to discern any Mongol influence upon Rommel, why don't you read his inter-war (1937) book, "Infantry Attacks"? The first chapter is titled, "The Movement War"! Evidence of influences should definitely be provided there!
     
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    ... Okay, first, relax with the exclamation marks after every sentence.

    Funny, coming from a guy who started by quoting Wikipedia. And in case you missed the title of this thread, I'm the one asking for sources here, and it's obvious to me you can't help me and are wasting my time. But to humor you (just this time), here's a paper from a US Army journal:

    "Genghis Khan and 13th-Century AirLand Battle" - Captain Dana J. H. Pittard, US Army
    URL: https://www.armyupress.army.mil/Journals/Military-Review/Directors-Select-Articles/Genghis-Khan/

    Here's some relevant quotes:
    • "The German blitzkrieg of World War II is often noted as the prototype of much of the US Army’s current doctrine–AirLand Battle. The German blitzkrieg, though seemingly revolutionary at its outset, was really nothing new. Its maneuver warfare fundamentals had been followed over 700 years earlier by Genghis Khan and his Mongol “hordes.” Genghis Khan and his armies accomplished feats that would be hard, if not impossible, for modern armies to duplicate."
    • "In 1927, Liddell Hart wrote that “the tank and the airplane were natural heirs and successors to the Mongol horsemen.” "
    And the Hart quote on the Mongols he cites is from "Great Captains Unveiled," and in case you missed it, this was written in 1927, i.e. interwar period. The paper also states the following: "Two of the leading exponents of mobile warfare in World War II–German Field Marshal Erwin Rommel and American General George S. Patton–were both well-read students and admirers of the great Mongol commander, Subotai."

    And here's both Rommel's and Guderian's books in my lap:

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    And here's a quote from Guderian, on page 20, which mentions both Fuller and Hart's influence on his own development of tactics (I circled it for you)

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    And as for Rommel's "chapter 1" which you challenged me to quote, if you had actually read that book (and I doubt you have) you would already know that Chapter 1's "War of Movement" isn't what you think it is. It's the actual description of the movements of units in the actual war. He did not write this book as a discussion on his influences, but as a sort of diary. The very second paragraph of that chapter, Rommel starts describing the situation: "At an early hour the 4th Battery of the 49th Field Artillery Regiment hurried through the old imperial city...." Yea, not exactly the moment to start randomly talking about the Mongolian influences, is it?

    To conclude, thanks for wasting 20 minutes of my life. I have no interest in getting in a debate with you. Now, please, kindly move along from my thread (...and this is the point, where an exclamation mark actually belongs!)
     
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    Well, since you’re such a scholar, please show where I started by “quoting” Wikipedia?
    I didn’t and you’re a FRAUD!
    And, a bibliography of two or three secondary sources is about equal to your scholarly pretentions; deficient!
    I guess, since you’ve read Infantry Attacks, you must have noticed that the salient elements of the chapter “The Movement War” -those that provide tactical analyses- are the sections set aside as Observations? Or, did you miss that?
    As far as wasting your life, you seem to have done that for the 23, or so, years you’ve lived (or at least the 23 or so years that you spent maturing intellectually, ‘cause you haven’ advanced past that stage), so far; and, I’m sure you’ll continue to do so!
    And, as far as YOUR forum, lock it, if you have that authority! If you don’t, it ain’t yours! But, don’t worry, my Dad taught me not to waste time with pretenders!
    Welcome to IGNORE!!!
     
    #13 james smith esq, Mar 15, 2019
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