Modern Heavy Bomber News, Pictures Thread (Non-Chinese)

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strehl

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With all the talk about LRS-B, I am unable to find an official FYDP or Program Element or Resource Identification Code which is associated with an official Program Of Record. When I look at the 2016 proposed DOD budget and "ctrl F" for LRS-B I get no matches. Granted my Search Fu is weak.

So does anyone have an official budget document specifying money committed to LRS-B? As far as I know, until Obama signs off and a Presidential Budget is released with LRS-B itemized as an official Progam Of Record, there is no LRS-B. Even with all the talk about downselect and "testing" (they mean analyzing since you can't test paper designs), there is no official budget allocated to this proposed program. I have a hard time believing Obama would initiate and authorize a major military program, especially one with nuclear applications. I could see it being offered as a pawn to barter in exchange for total removal of spending sequestration (a typical you give me what I want now and I will say things which I won't actually do). Think Keystone Pipeline.
 
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strehl said:
With all the talk about LRS-B, I am unable to find an official FYDP or Program Element or Resource Identification Code which is associated with an official Program Of Record. When I look at the 2016 proposed DOD budget and "ctrl F" for LRS-B I get no matches. Granted my Search Fu is weak.

So does anyone have an official budget document specifying money committed to LRS-B? As far as I know, until Obama signs off and a Presidential Budget is released with LRS-B itemized as an official Progam Of Record, there is no LRS-B. Even with all the talk about downselect and "testing" (they mean analyzing since you can't test paper designs), there is no official budget allocated to this proposed program. I have a hard time believing Obama would initiate and authorize a major military program, especially one with nuclear applications. I could see it being offered as a pawn to barter in exchange for total removal of spending sequestration (a typical you give me what I want now and I will say things which I won't actually do). Think Keystone Pipeline.
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Not much but at least something
 

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kwaigonegin said:
This image along with a few others have been circling around for a while but I personally think it's most likely the closest depiction of what the finalized design will look like.

I guess I'll find out in about 10 years if I'm right or wrong.
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Well, that last article sais, in my understanding, that the two designs are very different from each other. So while your pic is likely close to one of them, I can really imagine a very different shape being likely as the second contender.

To me it also seemed the public would get so see that a lot earlier then 10 years. I hope so inthe least.

strehl said:
With all the talk about LRS-B, I am unable to find an official FYDP or Program Element or Resource Identification Code which is associated with an official Program Of Record. When I look at the 2016 proposed DOD budget and "ctrl F" for LRS-B I get no matches. ...
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Could it have to do with the program being primarily managed by the "Rapid Capabilities Office", that generally manages more secretive programs (like the X-37B) and has different paths it can go on procurement issues?
 
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Well, that last article sais, in my understanding, that the two designs are very different from each other. So while your pic is likely close to one of them, I can really imagine a very different shape being likely as the second contender.

To me it also seemed the public would get so see that a lot earlier then 10 years. I hope so inthe least.



Could it have to do with the program being primarily managed by the "Rapid Capabilities Office", that generally manages more secretive programs (like the X-37B) and has different paths it can go on procurement issues?
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Even a black budget item that is tied to a specific project will need prior Presidential approval. Those budgets are reviewed and voted on by Congress (via special select committees that are "read in" on the project). Any money that has already been spent doing studies or proposals might conceivably be funded outside of normal program funding processes (a "slush fund" assigned to generic R&D). It is even possible contractor teams were told to pony up their own dollars in Business Development funds if they wanted a chance to bid.

So the question is how many selection delays will it take before people suspect the program is actually just a show? I think we are up to 3 right now. The fiscal year ends on September 30 so I would strongly suspect any additional delay into October is a good indicator that this is a Keystone Bomber program. Obama has just a little more than a year (lame duck status by November of next year). He could add to his "legacy" by being the first President to not initiate a major military program during his tenure (ie, a program conceived, proposed, and approved while he was in office).
 
FORBIN

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About this futur USAF Bomber, Long Range Strike Bomber (LRS-B) :

Some feelings ?
Subsonic with a design close to B-2 a flying wing a little less big max 150 t with a weapon load of ~ 15/20 t including normaly a new ALCM successor of AGM-86, more precise datas maybe ?
 
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FORBIN said:
About this futur USAF Bomber, Long Range Strike Bomber (LRS-B) :

Some feelings ?
Subsonic with a design close to B-2 a flying wing a little less big max 150 t with a weapon load of ~ 15/20 t including normaly a new ALCM successor of AGM-86, more precise datas maybe ?
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According last good infos less big as B-2 140/150 t vs 180, payload and range inferior of 20 % 18 vs 23 t, 4400 km vs 5500, actually two design very different and more stealth, i think subsonic.
The B-3 normaly.
 
FORBIN

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MOP the more big bomb never build 13.6 t ! soon for B-52H actualy only for the B-2

The fleet of Boeing B-52 will soon be equipped with a new high penetration ammunition. Boeing is expected in all likelihood soon receive a contract for its new non-nuclear bomb, the GBU-57 Massive Ordnance Penetrator (MOP).

The GBU-57 Massive Ordnance Penetrator is a bomb of13 600 kg guided bunker accurately. Delivered in 2011, it is almost six times heavier than the ammunition bunker of the previous generation, such as the GBU-28 2 270 kg. The GBU-57 is currently in service on the stealth bombers of type B-2. It will soon be mounted on the B-52G of the US Air Force.

The goal is for the US Air Force to strengthen a little more his heavy strike capability, against underground nuclear sites for example.
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