Military situation in the sino-indian border

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broadsword

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War is not likely to be happen soon, because China has been surprisingly low key about this internationally. I think China is trying to solve this diplomatically, but if negotiation with India finally breaks down, expect China to start go on a PR campaign in UN and various international forums to isolate India.

I don't think so.

China has said the issue is non-negotiable and that means it need not to be argued out in the UN and isolate India. As you have already noted in the following paragraph, India is clearly at fault, China only needs to give the world time to understand that.

I know India is treated much more favorably than China with West, but even Indian cannot spin this one to their advantage, India is clearly at fault here, no nation has the right to invade another nation on behalf of the 3rd nation.

To negotiate, is to give a case to India's position and undermine its own position.
 

sanblvd

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I don't think so.

China has said the issue is non-negotiable and that means it need not to be argued out in the UN and isolate India. As you have already noted in the following paragraph, India is clearly at fault, China only needs to give the world time to understand that.



To negotiate, is to give a case to India's position and undermine its own position.

Who said this is an negotiation? Goes on UN does not mean compromise whatsoever, China have nothing to lose by presenting its case to UN therefore it will be a slam dunk, at best China got the whole world condemn India, at worst, China let the world knows the situation so when the war happens no one dare to support India.

There is no weakness in this.
 

broadsword

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Who said this is an negotiation? Goes on UN does not mean compromise whatsoever, China have nothing to lose by presenting its case to UN therefore it will be a slam dunk, at best China got the whole world condemn India, at worst, China let the world knows the situation so when the war happens no one dare to support India.

There is no weakness in this.

China will not do that. Because there is no need for China to formally present its case in the UN.

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But if China does bring up its case to the UN, I am not going to feel chagrined because China will still have something to gain.
 
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sanblvd

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China will not do that. Because there is no need for China to formally present its case in the UN.

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But if China does bring up its case to the UN, I am not going to feel chagrined because China will still have something to gain.

I think if China does plan to go to war, present this case to UN or any international body is a good idea, in today's war, the first war is the war of public opinion, and this is something China traditionally has terrible at, while India has excel at.

If China does not do this and kicked India's butt, then its very possible that India can build up public sympathy as the victim in this case and spin China as "overreacting" to a tiny provocation, then you will see huge US effort trying to help India to further paint China as "overreacting bully"

If China is able to isolate India before the war, then India can cry all it want and no one will be sympathetic to someone who started it.

Also read my original post, China can also use this opportunity to do a little PR on US as well.
 

manqiangrexue

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The last time is irrelevant. Just because it had 3 carriers doesnt take out the fact that it was a military exercice for military posturing. To send a message. Nations do that all the time, US, russia china, etc. Remember that trump ordered this months ago, right after being in office, when it knew little about the complexities of the korean peninsula. By now, he knows that there is no viable military option.
Yes, NK artillery is aimed at seoul, thats the main insurance against US/SK attack. IMO the possibility of NK firing a nuke at US/SK only exists if it is attacked with nukes or even a regime changing invasion. The china of today is totally diferent from the china of 1950, i cant even begin to mention the amount of diference. There are serious doubts that china would help NK if it attacks first, and there are doubts that it would help at all even if NK is attacked first. China has just way too much to lose.

I dont even know what the US generals and commanders say.
They may say a lot but in the US, the US government has all the power to command the military, what matters is what it says and more important, the decisions it takes, not what the generals and commanders say.
"Nobody" ? says you. I didnt knew that you talk for all the people in this forum, specially those that dont post in this thread.
Ah, but the last time is not irrelevant. You see, Orthan, there are people in this world with critical thinking abilities who are able to draw conclusions from trends. For example, people who search for oil would think, "When's the last time I saw these geological indicators? That time, was there oil or was there not?" Economists think, "Last time, this happened, what happened next? Did the economy recover or did it lead to a depression?" Doctors think, "Last time we saw this happen to a patient, did he recover or did he die?" And they learn and improve from what they saw the last time so they can predict the likelihood of what would happen next time they saw the same thing. In Korea, when was the last time you saw the US react so forcefully and give such tough rhetoric? If the answer is never, or 1950, then you might think we are headed into dangerous territory when it comes to tension and probability of violence. Only a complete idiot with no ability to learn or think would say that the last time is irrelevant.

To send a message, and what's that message? "If you don't behave, we will maul you; just look at our power!"

Well, YOU know that there's no viable military option. But that's worth exactly as much as it sounds because you don't know shit. Here's an article about what the people who matter thinks, and in case you can't read, they've presented military options to Trump (dated 2 weeks ago). Apparently, American generals don't think that there are no viable military options so your "opinion" can go drown itself. Check it out (like you should have done by yourself prior to this conversation).
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If the US struck NK first, then China would be justified in defending NK, but that's not China's only option. If the US strikes NK, China could "help" the US by invading NK and taking it over so that it doesn't fall under US/SK control. Hey, China's helping occupy hostile territory so USA doesn't have to! What a great friend! LOL

You don't know what US generals and commanders say even though it's all over the news because it's your habit to enter conversations with no idea what you're talking about. This sentence admits it all.

And while I don't have a certificate or anything to represent everyone here LOL, I can see that your opinions have no likes (that's 0 likes) on any of the issues I've discussed with you which indicates that nobody here believes or agrees with you. And that you've got 59 likes out of 205 comments indicates that most of the things you write make no sense to anyone. See? That's called data extrapolation! It's a bit ambitious, though, for someone who can't even read the news before bumbling into conversations with no knowledge on the background.
 
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broadsword

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I think if China does plan to go to war, present this case to UN or any international body is a good idea, in today's war, the first war is the war of public opinion, and this is something China traditionally has terrible at, while India has excel at.

If China does not do this and kicked India's butt, then its very possible that India can build up public sympathy as the victim in this case and spin China as "overreacting" to a tiny provocation, then you will see huge US effort trying to help India to further paint China as "overreacting bully"

If China is able to isolate India before the war, then India can cry all it want and no one will be sympathetic to someone who started it.

Also read my original post, China can also use this opportunity to do a little PR on US as well.

Ok.
 

AssassinsMace

Lieutenant General
Because China have too much trade surplus and US knows it has leverage over China. It can pressure China to do things. That's why I say to the other guy depending on exports and having big trade surplus is not a good things. People will arm twisting you for that and know you won't fight back too much for sake of trade surplus


Then why doesn't the US cut-off China right now? If the US can withstand it better than China, why don't they do it? Just like why doesn't the US go to war with China if China is so evil? Maybe because it'll hurt the US more seriously than you think? Even anti-China Trump hasn't carried out his campaign promises against China. Why? Maybe because the US makes all the money from outsourcing and if that ended the US economy would crash from losing all those corporate profits?
 

sanblvd

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There are many things happening right now that is not in China's interest, I think they are all connected

1. Indonesia is stepping it its game in SCS, it recently just renamed its part of SCS to its own name.
2. Vietnam just said it will start join exploration of resources in SCS with India.
3. Japan is starting to butt in SCS once again with Vietnam.
4. More rapid patrol by US navy in SCS in recent month than ever before.
5. Korean nuclear crisis getting hot.
6. US congress 1 step closer to passes resolution to send warships to Taiwan + recent arms sale.
7. SK new president refuses to taking down SAAD
8. US selling drones to India
9. India US Japan navy exercise
10. And of course during all of this time, Indian occupy Chinese territory.

I have a strong feeling everything that I have listed is being mastermind by US, I think China don't want to fight right now, it wants to build up its Belt and Road, but if war happens everything will stop so China need to be careful

It looks like US don't want to fight China directly but it is pushing all of its neighbors to confront China, China can deal with any one of the situation on its own, but everything at once will be difficult.
 
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